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| Hand Stripping A Border Terrier.; Other rough/broken coated terriers too. | |
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| Topic Started: Apr 25 2005, 09:26 PM (5,552 Views) | |
| ClaireS | May 4 2006, 04:08 PM Post #31 |
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Dudley that is minging of you :lol: |
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| PaulaK | May 4 2006, 04:43 PM Post #32 |
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He did it again this morning, I'm hoping Dad hasn't noticed :lol: |
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| TerrierTops | Jun 26 2006, 09:21 PM Post #33 |
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Hi there, A question for you dog groomers out there. My Flynn (IT rescue of 3 months) has now been neutered 2 months. Suddenly hair is coming out in wadges, leaving almost bare spots. Otherwise he is comfy. Is this what would be called "ready to be stripped" maybe? He is 13 months and has never been stripped or clipped. Neither all soft-coated or hard-coated. I shall try to post some piccies of him soom. |
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| BorderDawn | Jun 27 2006, 07:41 PM Post #34 |
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Coats change when dogs are neutered, especially the males, but it shouldnt come out and expose the skin at all. I would imagine it very difficult to strip a neutered Irish. I also think that his coat may just be altering because of the castration, if he is in no discomfort, no itching, no redness etc.. keep brushing and see what happens. dawn. |
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| TerrierTops | Jun 29 2006, 10:41 PM Post #35 |
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IT rescue South came to the rescue again. Luckily Flynn's coat came out well and he looks very handsome and a whole lot cooler! She was very experienced and it only took her an hour to do it, though he did have quite a fussing! |
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| MrE | Sep 3 2006, 11:44 AM Post #36 |
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An excellent post! Also may I add for those wishing to start stripping that those are all piccies of a well behaved dog who has had countless days on the table. Yours will probably not be the same. Hence start them young. Get them on the table every day even if your only pretending to do something lol Dont go into a state of shock if your dog turns suddenly to bite you muwhahahaa. Let me pull your hair out around your body and watch your reaction. Use the dogs reaction to learn from, never muzzle and if your in a sensitive area or the dog is nervous of the area then the dog will let you know. Chances are if you slow the dogs teeth will stop on your skin. That said if you start them young and work with it, you'll face this problem less. But there are parts that you jsut got to get on with it and get you and the dog through it. IE for lakies its stripping inside the ears. Plus I'm guessing with border like Lakies they dont like the legs done or the feet touched, plus the sides of the belly and the pits of the legs. For me I think its important to learn the dogs threshold when training them on the grooming table and work with it. IE if an area is sensitive, be stern work there then move on and go back, rather than pussy foot around, draw it out and make a meal of it and get hot headed. I clip the belly, backside and inside of the ears. The clippers I recommend are morso arco the only choice, they'll cost you £100 but dont waste your money on anything else. For stripping knivies I'd go for pearson all day long and order them direct from him. For a border I'm sure 1 fine knife is all you need. A course is handy for the tail as its less harsh on them. Stripping is something that is easier to learn by seeing it done infront of you. Especially with a dog that's still not used to it ie a pup 6-12 months. The one thing I will guarantee you'll say is OMG I'm so not strict enough :-) A few tricks; You want to strip on leg but your dog keeps lifiting it up! The Evil Ba****D, dont worry, instead of trying to hold it down, lift up the other one and he'll keep the one your working on, on the mat :-) Learn some wrestling locks :-) One arm around both back legs and pull into you body so their bum is on your stomach. Thats always a nice one for stripping out near the tail. The chin lock, grab the hair under the chin when doing the front of the face. Cheek lock, grab the loose skin on the side of the face. Great when used with the hand under the balls to get them to stand ;-) If your dog wont stack, one hand under the genitals, and one around the neck and rock them gentle like a rockin horse and they will stack. If your dog is performing or getting a bit of a panic on. Then take his face, face yours, do not let them jump on you for affection, and gently blow in their face and tell them clam, then stack them and get on with it. Share the difficult areas over time ie little and often. But for easy areas ie the back use that as training. IE lots of stacks, no's and firmness to get the job done. Remember pups dont come up to you and beg you to rub a stone over them, or a slicker or run a comb through them or pray every day for you to pull out their coat, they prefer the opposite. Again great post from dawn, hopefully she could share some ideas for getting your pup into the table and offer some tips of the trade. In other words give us your bloody secrets :-) Anyone interested in stripping wires or lakies then here are two awesome links. It should also be very usefull for borders. http://www.ardynas.com/Grooming.htm http://www.strippingknives.com/grooming/groomingtips.htm PS and remember dont worry about being rubbish at it, I still am but I'm trying :-) |
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| smoo1604 | Mar 24 2008, 09:22 PM Post #37 |
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instead of chalk i use a latex glove, like the ones vets/doctors use. it gives a good grip, but i normally go through two or three in one stripping session as the thumb gets a hole in it!! im very lucky in that brodie just sits and patiently puts up with it. although she doesnt like the legs being done or the belly, but thats understandable!! thats great info dawn and MrE! good tips for the legs! will be testing that in a couple of weeks!! Shona & Brodie |
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| weluvalfie | Jul 30 2008, 08:29 PM Post #38 |
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I didn't realise when we got Alfie (Parson JRT) that the coat he came with wasn't au naturelle. I found out today on terrier talk that he was featured under the breed (via his foster mum) and he had been half shaved and half stripped to get the awful mats out of his coat.(Obviously hated it) This explains why he's suddenly, in the height of summer, got a full curly broken wire coat do going on. Should he be trimmed, stripped, shaved or left to grow? Will his coat stop growing? |
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| piwoodhouse | Jul 31 2008, 12:02 AM Post #39 |
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I'd say in your case it's going to be a matter of preference and practicality. Alfie's coat was very matted and while in an ideal world one might over a matter of weeks have gently teased out each one, Alfie was very demonstrative about the fact IT HURT!! So his first foster carer muzzled him and chopped out the worst bits simply to make him as comfortable as possible as quickly as possible. I don't know what he's like now but if he dislikes being brushed I'd work on this first. I'd buy the softest hairbrush I could find (like the baby ones in Mothercare) and when he's at his most friendly and cooperative, run in gently over his head and neck, offering him treats to make it a happy experience. Progress through stronger, harsher brushes until he tolerates it well. If brushing isn't a problem and you'd like to get his coat back to it's original glory, I'd contact the Kennel Club for a list of PRT breeders. Contact the one(s) closest to you and ask them if they offer a grooming service - most of them do (a) since they prepare their own dogs for the show ring and (b) there's no money in showing so they need an income. Ask too about other options of mananging his coat; what a breeder does for the coat of her latest champion may not be what she does for an elderly pet Parson. |
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| weluvalfie | Jul 31 2008, 12:41 PM Post #40 |
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Alfie likes to be brushed now. Just as well, couldn't bear another 'needs to be worked on' on our training score card sheet. when you see him, perhaps you can tell me if you think his coat is too long. The 'mane' down his back certainly adds to his werewolf status! Thanks for posting the photos. Great to see his furry friends, too. |
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| piwoodhouse | Jul 31 2008, 03:24 PM Post #41 |
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Well if he likes being brushed you must have moved mountains already as that was something he just wouldn't tolerate. It's easy to concentrate on what needs to be improved, but do look at all the positive changes you've achieved in what it still a very short period of time. Alfie's "issues" have been built up over two years so you're doing brilliantly! |
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| weluvalfie | Jul 31 2008, 04:47 PM Post #42 |
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Of course you're right. We've had a turn around with the hoovering as well. Judging by the amount of JRTs chasing hoovers on you tube it must be a common terrier trait. However, when the hoover came out from the cupboard at the same time as a piece of stiff cardboard 'fell' loudly onto the floor (several times near the hoover) the interest in the hoover disappeared. It was like I'd found his off switch. I've hoovered since and he's no longer interested. I've got some training discs on order. If we can use them to switch off the 'bad' behaviour then we can praise, praise, praise him all the way. :wub: |
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| Tafia | Jul 31 2008, 05:42 PM Post #43 |
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Easiest way to deal with a broken haired coat like a PRT is just to pull the loose hairs out as and when - other than that I've always found them a "wash and wear" breed. |
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| piwoodhouse | Jul 31 2008, 06:18 PM Post #44 |
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:lol: :lol: "wash and wear" - love it! |
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| windrushway | Oct 30 2008, 09:52 AM Post #45 |
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Great Demo,Dawn,,,,,,,,,,,,,, :yay: :yay: |
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