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| Topic Started: Aug 18 2007, 08:14 PM (429 Views) | |
| MrE | Aug 18 2007, 08:14 PM Post #1 |
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I got his book cesar's way on audio book. I listen to it before bed when working away. So far so good. Christ the guy had one damn hard start in life. I admire the guy now. Got lots more to go through in the book yet, but so far I love it and defo recommend it :-) |
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| Halfpint1775 | Sep 3 2007, 10:39 AM Post #2 |
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Didnt realise he'd done a book - but watch all his programmes on sky. Although he uses pack hierarchy a lot, he does certainly seem to understand dogs extremely well, and his methods always seem to work! I use a few on Peggy every now and then, so think i'll keep an eye out for this book! |
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| sammie204 | Sep 3 2007, 11:38 AM Post #3 |
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Lots of people on DP don't like his training methods....haven't ever really watched one of his programmes all the way through though so can't really comment....will make an effort to watch one :D |
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| Halfpint1775 | Sep 3 2007, 12:13 PM Post #4 |
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Can't really see why people wouldnt like his methods - he doesnt use punishment in any way - but it is very basic dog to dog stuff which is perfectly logical, but people seem to forgotten these kind of basics. Guess it depends whether you believe in the pack hierarchy way or not. Personally I dont - but some of his techniques do work very well. |
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| holliegavin | Jan 1 2009, 04:19 PM Post #5 |
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We apply Cesar's techniques with our two and I really think they have been useful. I have a copy of Cesar's book (My mother lives in the US and has been to one of his seminars and has a signed copy!) and DVD and I think the most important lesson Cesar can offer is that Dogs are not people and therefore using human discipline techniques and treating dogs like humans does not work. I love my girls, we dont have children so to the outside world yes they are my "babies" but we always keep in mind the importance not to encourage certain behaviours and especially not to nurture negative characterists. Remember... calm & assertive ;) Edited by holliegavin, Jan 1 2009, 04:20 PM.
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| roo roo | Jan 1 2009, 06:50 PM Post #6 |
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we watch his programs on sky tv just been watching one about a lab who works finding explosives etc and was traumatised by certain things that had happened to him.he was such a sorry sight but after this guy had him a few months and sorted him out hes fine again.what bad start did cesar have in his life?i dont know anything about him |
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| Tafia | Jan 1 2009, 07:11 PM Post #7 |
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I think what MrE meant was that Cesar Millan came from extreme poverty and was one of the many Mexican's who crossed into the US illegally, without speaking a word of english. Done pretty well for himself through hard work and taking opportunities wherever he found them. |
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| Marean | Jan 1 2009, 07:42 PM Post #8 |
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I borrowed this book a few months back from the library, makes perfect sense to me and really opens your eyes into seeing our actions etc from a dogs view, and what huge mistakes we make in humanising them. Love his TV show too :D |
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| roo roo | Jan 1 2009, 08:51 PM Post #9 |
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thanks for the info Tafia.im interested in what motivated him to get involved in dogs.he seems a very kind man,he also seems to have quite a few pit bulls?does he rescue them? |
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| Tafia | Jan 1 2009, 11:05 PM Post #10 |
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He got a job grooming dogs as a child in Mexico - then when he got to the US again he got a job grooming and got a reputation for being able to handle the more difficult dogs. Somewhere, early on he met Jada Pinkett Smith (Will Smith's wife) and helped train her Rotties (think she paid for his english lessons) and ended up being THE dog trainer to the stars in LA. From the TV show he does seem to have quite a lot of rescued Pits but I know that Daddy (perhaps the most adorable dog ever) belongs to a rap star. He apparently approached CM asking for help to pick out a Pit pup and help to train him. I love that dog soooo much! Edited by Tafia, Jan 1 2009, 11:10 PM.
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| holliegavin | Jan 2 2009, 07:36 AM Post #11 |
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My Mother lives in Missouri and I know that Missouri and many other US states have actually banned the ownership of Pitt Bulls and American Pitt Bulls.... Dog fighting in the US within certain communities is unfortunately still commonplace ; these breeds being very popular choices for fighting. From watching Animal Cops (also on Sky), I understand that unless someone will take the Pitt Bull in in a state which permits the ownership of these breeds (for example California) the dogs are put down. I expect this is why Cesar has so many Pitt Bulls. |
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| roo roo | Jan 2 2009, 11:00 PM Post #12 |
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thats so interesting.what a wonderful guy he must be.he seems to put a lot of effort into getting dogs rehabilitated as in the program we watched the other night he had a trailer kitted out with movies and sounds to imitate fireworks and large bangs and also a treadmill so the dog was made to walk forward towards the noise instead of running away from it.i guess he has made his fortune from working with famous peoples dogs in california.my mom still lives there in san francisco and boy do i miss that fantastic california sunshine in the depths of our gloomy winters! |
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| Wells07 | Jan 3 2009, 12:58 PM Post #13 |
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I have been an avid follower of Cesar for quite a while now, read all his books and watched loads of his programmes. One thing that does worry me though is in the new programmes I have seen him using his foot to 'check' the dog and snap him out of a certain behaviour. Same with his hand. Although he says this is only a touch, for some unintelligent people, this could turn into a smack or a kick. Just something that worries me... The lady who runs my dog training class has absolutely no time for him whatsoever and doesn't like his method of using the alpha roll. She said someone is going to get very badly bitten one day doing that. Edited by Wells07, Jan 3 2009, 12:59 PM.
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| holliegavin | Jan 3 2009, 06:35 PM Post #14 |
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I agree with your points Wells... I guess its the same with most things isnt it, there is always a handful of sillies who ruin it for everyone else! I have found many old-school dog trainers don't like Cesars methods also. We took our Airedale to clicker training as a pup - for Millie this was fine but she got bored and was easily distracted. It's pretty funny to be honest, we did a routine at the classes... first sit (click-treat), then lay down (click-treat), and still to this day, when we get her to sit she will do so and if we have not given her a treat instantly she launches herself accross the room so enthusiastically to lay down, without us even asking, tee hee! My Mum's Airedale (also State side) will not do anything unless we are treat laden! She's a bit of a chubby because of it! |
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| roo roo | Jan 3 2009, 09:17 PM Post #15 |
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i think treats are meant to be given to reinforce the behaviour not to obtain it,im no training expert but i know everyone has their own ideas of what works best and if it works for you then thats the best method! ;) i started to take tiny pieces of cheese out with me when i first got razzle as a pup in order to make her come back to me in recall.i gave her a piece every now and then but not all the time as i knew she wouldnt enjoy her walks as she would be constantly looking back to me to see if i was going to recall her and give her a treat(terriers learn so quickly!) :rolleyes: i dont take any with me now but every once in a while i will just to keep her on her toes and to let her know there will sometimes be a reward for good behaviour.so when i call her name im assured of her instant attention(shes VERY food orientated) i too saw this guy touch the dogs with his foot as a quick flick and knew instantly he wasnt kicking the dog but i also would think there will be idiots watching this who will misinterpret it and kick their dogs.theres a lot of stupid people out there and you can explain that it isnt a kick but a touch to remind the dog and they still wont get it! |
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