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Please help; Any advice?
Topic Started: Feb 24 2009, 05:40 PM (326 Views)
RJL	Feb 25 2009, 01:57 PM Post #16
Chatterbox Posts: 1,381 Group: Full Members Member #179 Joined: January 25, 2006	:flower: You have my sympathy too. I think the kenelling is a good idea. You will be buying yourself a bit of time to step back from the problem and work through everything. I picked up a booklet at Crufts a few years ago called 'Canine Neuropsychology' by James O'Heare. It is a very worthwhile read. I'm sure I can trust you - so PM me your address and I'll pop it in the post :) It all looks a bit 'heavy' at first, but it is actually very readable once you get into it. Something along the Bach flower lines is a product called 'Calm Down' by CSJ Animal Feeds that just acts to give the dog a bit of extra time to process its thoughts before flipping out. I used it with Dill initially and it did work. I know it is really hard to stay positive. Don't let the dogs take over all your thoughts: plan a nice evening out together where you agree not to mention dogs at all. Allocate yourself a time to interact with the dogs and stick to it. When you are working with them, give it 100 per cent focus - then when you have finished the walk / training / whatever, give them a command like 'that'll do' or 'goodbye' or 'finish' and walk away until next time. Keep you sessions short and entertaining for all of you. Walk away while you are still feeling positive, rather than keep going until something goes wrong and you get upset. Would you consider confining them to just one room; building a kennel and run for them or even making a large playpen in the corner of a room so that when it is their 'time out' they are left in no uncertain terms that the fun with you has ended until next time - but also that they are in a safe, familiar den with minimal chance of random stimuli getting them all hyper? The flip side is that when they are with you - everything is fascinating and fun and rewarding. Above all - they are just dogs. They won't take over your world unless you let them ;)



weluvalfie	Feb 25 2009, 02:36 PM Post #17
Squeaker Posts: 35 Group: Full Members Member #682 Joined: May 28, 2008	hannahnicholls Feb 25 2009, 10:10 AM Dogs are frustrating (particularly terriers) but they are our dogs our responsibility and so I will try everything to make them happier in there little lives. I will keep you posted of our progress. :flower: It all sounds overwhelming. You are clearly trying so hard and it's outrageous that the other dog's owner assaulted you. I totally sympathise with you and understand the frustration you are going thru. I can say from personal experience that, whatever you end up doing, the TT members will support your decision. Don't forget that you deserve happiness in your life, too. :hug:



Marean	Feb 25 2009, 02:56 PM Post #18
Total Gas Bag! Posts: 4,411 Group: Full Members Member #172 Joined: January 16, 2006	So sorry you're having these problems. Great advice from everyone but its frustrating if time is an issue. I'm sure you'll find a way to overcome the issues or at least have more control over the situation, its always trying to be one step ahead of the little Terrors. Good luck anyway :flower:



Tafia	Feb 25 2009, 07:20 PM Post #19
Total Gas Bag! Posts: 5,816 Group: Full Members Member #134 Joined: November 17, 2005	weluvalfie Feb 25 2009, 02:36 PM it's outrageous that the other dog's owner assaulted you. I meant to post yesterday that I hope you've reported this assault to the police. It's one thing to have crossed words but that is completely out of order, the police should be made aware of this incident.



ClaireS	Feb 25 2009, 08:48 PM Post #20
Moderator Posts: 10,443 Group: Moderators Member #113 Joined: September 8, 2005	:flower: hope you are feeling better after your horrible experience yesterday Hannah :hug: There's been loads of great advice and I'm not sure I can add anything more that would be useful just to say I'm thinking of you! One thing though, what are your to fed on? Maybe its giving them more energy than they need?



Sky	Feb 25 2009, 09:25 PM Post #21
Chatterbox Posts: 1,513 Group: Full Members Member #136 Joined: November 23, 2005	Laura, I have just read your reply to this topic - what a wonderful reply and such great advice all from your own experience. Sally sounds very much like my Maggie, I don't think she will ever really like close contact with strange dogs on walks but we can cope with it now because like you, she comes away from any problem, back to my side and my other dog Pete diffuses the situation because he is so so friendly, in fact, whenever we see any other dogs coming he rushes inbetween Maggie and the stranger as if to say "don't worry Maggie, I am here to sort the situation out" and she sneaks past while he does the introductions. I was always worried that a second dog would pick up on the problems of the existing dog but in our case Pete does not seem to have inherited Maggie's problems with meeting strange dogs. Anyway, brilliant replies from everyone to this topic, as usual :yes:



Laura	Feb 25 2009, 09:56 PM Post #22
One of the regulars Posts: 187 Group: Full Members Member #730 Joined: October 14, 2008	Sounds like Maggie and Pete have a good system sorted out!



Sky	Feb 25 2009, 10:02 PM Post #23
Chatterbox Posts: 1,513 Group: Full Members Member #136 Joined: November 23, 2005	All you need now Laura is a "Pete" :yes:



hannahnicholls	Feb 26 2009, 11:01 AM Post #24
Chatterbox Posts: 1,835 Group: Full Members Member #277 Joined: August 3, 2006	Morning all I did report the incident to the police and they were very good, an officer came round and took a description (I have to say I did start to give a description of the dog :doh: until the WPC very politely mentioned that a description of the man may be more beneficial :lol: ) and then a support officer rang me. I discussed with them about Snow and how he had probably kicked it off and they said that no matter what the guy shouldn't have hurt you. I walked them the next day and again this morning to �lay the ghost� as it were. The dogs were so much better last night. I got home at about 8.00 and Molls was in her bed and Snow was watching Audrey (as usual) it was all nice and calm. I have contacted the lady that Epsom rescue recommended so will wait to hear from her, in the meantime I am restricting them to the kitchen at night to avoid the wee in the front room scenario which just winds me up and upping their exercise because deep down I knew they weren�t getting enough.



zandd	Feb 26 2009, 11:05 AM Post #25
Moderator Posts: 22,620 Group: Moderators Member #48 Joined: February 5, 2005	hannahnicholls Feb 26 2009, 11:01 AM in the meantime I am restricting them to the kitchen at night to avoid the wee in the front room scenario which just winds me up and upping their exercise because deep down I knew they weren�t getting enough. :ok: Excellent news.Glad you reported the attack - and sorry I didn't offer support earlier on that aspect as well :blush: As you say pee on carpet does wind you up,on a tiled floor it's easily cleaned and no problems.I also think confining them in a smaller space will make them feel more secure as well.



hannahb	Feb 26 2009, 12:27 PM Post #26
Chatterbox Posts: 1,608 Group: Full Members Member #475 Joined: June 3, 2007	glad to hear you are getting positive support from the police and your rescue. I think confining the dogs will work out fine for them and you. My pair are only allowed out of the kitchen under supervision, and I am currently keeping Hari on a lead everywhere else until she knows how to behave in each room and our DIY is further on (we have stuff everywhere at the moment). Hari knows what's expected of her in the kitchen - but Tom and I behave completely differently in the sitting room (i.e. sitting and watching TV or reading quietly), and in the bedroom ;) (not that we invite the dogs in when we do that :blush: ) so she sort of has to learn a different set of rules for each place.



hannahnicholls	Feb 26 2009, 05:06 PM Post #27
Chatterbox Posts: 1,835 Group: Full Members Member #277 Joined: August 3, 2006	Isn't it funny I have huge guilt that they are being restricted to the kitchen :lol: I never thought about the fact that they might actualy LIKE it! I feel so much better now. Thanks again guys :ok:



Tafia	Feb 26 2009, 05:31 PM Post #28
Total Gas Bag! Posts: 5,816 Group: Full Members Member #134 Joined: November 17, 2005	Good, I'm glad you reported the incident. I know when Boo was younger that if I ever let off on the exercise then she made me pay!



Red Rascal	Feb 27 2009, 02:42 AM Post #29
Chatterbox Posts: 860 Group: Full Members Member #646 Joined: April 15, 2008	:hug: Hannah so sorry you've had a hard time recently, I'm glad things are improving and also that you have gotten such a positive response from the police, that Bas*d had no right to punch you! Rascal is not good, left with the run of the house when we're out (never allowed upstairs, I'm mean ;) ), he's on guard duty and doesn't settle at all, he much prefers to go in his crate with a chew and quickly settles down and sleeps until I come home, he is definitely happier and more relaxed when restricted, I think he feels a lot safer. Good luck with the training classes. :flower: Edited by Red Rascal**, Mar 10 2009, 04:19 PM.



Nic	Mar 10 2009, 02:50 PM Post #30
Competition Manager Posts: 2,385 Group: Competition Manager Member #484 Joined: June 20, 2007	Missed this thread, glad to hear you are getting over the problem tho, animals are the best thing in the world, but every now and then you wonder why u do it, i went through this recently with my ponies! But chin up, and keep doing what ur doing and it'll get better, you know your stuff and have a huge love for them, they'll be little angels one day :devil: :flower:



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