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Something to think about
Topic Started: Jan 2 2011, 10:42 PM (568 Views)
Vincent
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this will be a thread for not just the intellectuals such as myself who follow all the news and politics going on but also for the common man.

I start the thread with what I have for a purpose that shall make sense later.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9RiqYC3lrA&feature=related while it did come from a movie placed in England, perhaps we U.S. citizens should listen to this speech carefully and think to ourselves, how much does this fit right now?
 
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september 25th, 1789 was the birth of the bill of rights. For those of us that actually believe in what Washington, Franklin and the rest of the forefathers paved out this was an essential date. Perhaps it is time we remind this federalist society that we have not forgotten our rights as people! Many people talk about different rights in the bill of rights but how many remember the ninth amendment?

Perhaps it is time we go back and read the bill of rights.

http://www.billofrights.org/

read them carefully people for these are the founding believes that our constitution was based around.
 
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ladies and gentlemen today we go over the 2nd most important document in the U.S. although depending on how you view it one could without doubt see it as the most important document. I, personally, think the declaration of independence is vastly more important do to the fact that without it we wouldn't be.

http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Preamble
on that site you will not only find the U.S. constitution but the preamble of the aforementioned document.

http://www.constitutionfacts.com/ <- on this site you will find multiple tools to help you understand the U.S. constitution.

It is vital that we all become more familiar with this document. The constitution tells you what you are entitled to as a United States citizen. This document is the very thing that makes the United States the country that it is, and without it we are not the Republic we set out to be.

Recently several senators, and congressman have admitted to not being familiar with the constitution. These are the people that are supposed to be defending your constitutional rights. If they don't know it, and we don't know it what ideals are we basing our country's decisions upon?
 
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For those of you that have been following this thank you very much. a special thank you to those that are at least attempting to read the U.S. constitution and the bill of rights. I cannot stress the importance of this enough.

Now moving on, there is something that has been in the news lately and one issue has already been brought up in relation to it. So try to follow me because there is a lot of ground to cover here.

The shooting in Arizona was nothing more than a random act of a psychopath. This should NOT be used as an excuse to further push Obamacare, especially if furthering Obamacare means keeping the policy that states that everyone is required to have health insurance or pay a fine. This has not been mentioned yet but I guarantee it will before it is over. Someone, most likely a democrat or possibly Obama himself will use this as a platform to further the agenda of the health care reform. Personally I am all for health care reform but shoving a bill down everyone's throat that no one read that clearly violates PERSONAL constitutional rights is not the answer.

Now that I have preempted the Obamacare agenda that will be brought up in light of the accused's mental history I would like to further add that this is not a gun control law. You can pass all the laws on the planet and ban guns across the board and people like this will continue to emerge with weapons, even guns. Chicago has some of the strictest bans on guns on the planet and this has not deterred the types that typically perpetrate these kinds of acts. Laws against owning weapons only keep the decent citizens who would follow the law from getting them. If they are willing to kill someone why would they not be willing to break the law and get a weapon? With that said I will say that gun control does have some ground to stand on. The average citizen does not need an automatic weapon or a semi automatic. But that is aother issue.... this event had nothing to do with gun control!

Now the last thing I want to cover with this is the nut job church out of Kansas City that is going to protest the funeral of the little girl. I, by many, am considered a religious zealot. Personally I prefer the term fundamentalist as I believe that you cannot pick and choose with the Bible, you either believe it is true or you do not. Thus I believe things like homosexuality being wrong, abortion being wrong, and yes the RELIGION of Islam is EVIL. But, there is nothing I have ever read or heard that can possibly begin to justify these pyschopaths protesting the funeral of a 9yr old girl that was shot at a grocery store.

Why do I bring this up? Because there is potential legal backlash with this issue as well as the general shooting. This all ties back to personal rights and the ninth amendment. The church ordeal could be used as a background to start outlawing the right of individuals to peacefully assemble in protest. With certain freedoms we must accept that sometimes the nuts slip through.

Right NOW there is already talk on Capital Hill of regulating what is said by journalists and those who report the news whether on radio or television or even print as they are trying to claim that this event is an example of how political rivalry and overzealous political feuding further perpetuated by media to gain ratings can lead to violence and the fact of the matter is that there are millions of other Americans every day who watch the same programs, read some of the same material that DO NOT go on shooting sprees.

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The motive behind Jared Lee Loughner's attack in Arizona remains a mystery, but some Democratic lawmakers are looking to curb speech they claim creates an "aura of hatred" -- and are pointing to failed Republican Senate candidate Sharron Angle of Nevada as an example of the need for federal regulations.

source: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/11/democrats-single-sharron-angle-calling-limits-speech/

Be aware people, your rights are in danger and they grow ever closer with each passing day of finding an excuse, any excuse to circumvent the bill of rights, the constitution and any personal rights we should have from simply being alive under God.

Our rights are a prize that we won when we declared and stood up for our freedom against the tyranical empire of England and substained when we defeated one of the most evil men in history, Adolf Hitler.

as the old song said, "keep your eyes on the prize",
Vincent
Edited by Vincent, Jan 11 2011, 06:42 PM.
 
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yes the RELIGION of Islam is EVIL


Whoa buddy. I'm a Religious like you, but saying that a religion is evil is a bit too much. As humans, we the people should accept everyone's religious beliefs even if we think they're wrong and we shouldn't based a religion whether it is evil or not because of stereotypical views. Islam is not evil and I will not discriminate anyone that believes in Islam.
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a) I know the relativist nonsense that you are spewing and you can save it. Relativism is a poison created by morons who didn't want to actually take a stand.
b) Ever wonder why the "terrorists" are referred to as fundamentalist? Go read the Qu'uran and then rant your nonsensical babble.
c) saying that someone's religion is evil does not mean that you have to hate the people. I have told several people that homosexuality was evil and an abomination before God and still maintained friendship with them.

If you want to talk politics fine do so but I find it really odd that there is an article in there talking about censoring people and taking away people's rights and you are worried about defending the great Islam. Stop worrying about being politically correct because Larry King retired, MSNBC isn't watching and Foxnews doesn't care.

Stop wasting my time with your relativist nonsense if you are not going to both to address any of the major issues that was even discussed. It makes you look moronic and I am pretty sure that is not the case judging by your roleplays.

This does show another aspect of American culture ( some of which I see has spread to Canada, not surprisingly ) where people are more worried about being politically correct and offending someone by taking a stand, following the relativist argument of every truth is true to the person as long as they believe it is true CRAP. Freedom of religion does not mean that a person has to sit there and tell another person that they believe the others religion is lollipops and candy canes.

Tolerance does not mean I will agree with you, it means I will tolerate you. The religion of Islam is evil and a growing one at that, I could list many reasons why it should be considered as such for anyone who considers themselves a humanitarian, a female rights enthusiasts, or a Christian of any form of denomination. That would of course call for an entirely seperate thread.

thank you for your input jimbiz but next time before critiquing something I have said that was used as an example to demonstrate what type of person I am, 1) bear in mind the context in which it is used, duh! 2) try to act like there is a bit more that you can contribute to the conversation besides some hippy spew about everyone loving everyone & 3) after you have actually contributed to the thread by replying to what it was about or at least the main point(s) of the particular topic and you decide to come after something more minscule such as this try having an argument already arranged that is a bit ... well.. more.

thank you and good night,
Vincent

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you should not discriminate against those who hate Islam because of stereotypical views because in the end what is true for me is true as long as I believe it is true just like what you believe is true is true for you because we all know the sky is green, lol.
 
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/16/schumer-require-military-report-applicants-drug-use-prevent-gun-purchases/

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WASHINGTON -- If someone admits to a federal official that he's used illegal drugs, that information should be sent to the FBI so that person can be disqualified from purchasing a gun, Sen. Chuck Schumer said Sunday
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Some people are probably thinking, oh how awesome but I want you to really think about this. So, I am going to slowly elaborate all the problems with this concept.

1) Laying aside all other problems momentarily with this concept. There is by far no reason that this should be a federal issue. Gun control has been a state issue for awhile and when the federalists who are raping the constitution and the 9th and 10th amendment understand this we will alll be better off.

2) Please denote that it says federal official not officials. So by the word of one man you can lose your right to own a fire arm for any reason whether it be for hunting, or self defense. What is to stop him from lying?

3) Let's be honest here people there are plenty of people who have tried illegal drugs at some point myself being one of them. To punish someone for something that happened in their past is insanity. Plenty of people have stopped using drugs and been fine

4) According to the second amendment it is my RIGHT not privilege to own a weapon.

Sadly while things like what happened in Arizona are horrific, you have to let the bad in with the good. You cannot seal off the bad without also sealing off the good. This is but one more way for them to try and impose control on the states thus eliminating the need for personal rights.

Here is the most disturbing part of this entire thing.

NO ONE has stood up to object! Where is the outrage?

People have become so engrossed in television, internet and general media outlets that we have allowed the federalists to further impose their will without so much as a squeek of protest.
 
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Blog continued: gun control in wake of AZ
 
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How dare you mention God in church... the blog
 
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All of these have been something to think about as we watch the government take our rights but in the case of this article the amazing thing to me is that with everything going on to these woman the people writing this are more concerned with bashing a political party than the facts of the story.

The fact of the matter is that this entire proposal by the Republicans is one giant cluster fuck and that is coming from someone who actually AGREES with them on the anti abortion concept. Just like I think the federal government should not be paying for abortion because I think we lean on them too much. Of course we wouldnt have to worry about that if taxes were lowered on certain things which I have already proven in a class before can be done. There is no logical reason for any individual to be paying taxes on their own personal health insurance
 
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