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| NYWA State and USA Nationals are Not on the same dates!; Will NYWA or USA benefit from this? | |
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| Topic Started: Nov 3 2009, 08:44 PM (1,853 Views) | |
| KJO | Nov 3 2009, 08:44 PM Post #1 |
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Looks like NYWA(2nd weekend in April) and USA Nationals(1st weekend in April) are on different weekends in 2010. I would think that NYWA would see an increase in kids at districts and regionals trying to qualify for State. Not sure if this will increase MN kids going to USA Nationals since it is in Iowa, but it would be a good tune up for NYWA State!!! I like both venues and I am glade to see that kids can do both if they want to. |
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| CougarKILLA | Nov 3 2009, 11:47 PM Post #2 |
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Ya i hope they keep it that way all the time.. |
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| stmabooster | Nov 4 2009, 08:44 PM Post #3 |
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USA Nationals is one of the biggest tournaments in the United States. I don't know how you could characterize it as a good tune up for any state tournament. It will be interesting to see if some of the wrestlers that have only done NYWA in the past will use this opportunity to try out a USA wrestling national tournment since it is just a couple more hours down the road. |
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| gardenbuff | Nov 4 2009, 10:18 PM Post #4 |
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LOL!!! KJO sums up the intelligence of some that unfortunately pollute our sport. I doubt many kids that compete in NYWA will have an interest in the National Championships. The reason they wrestled NYWA is because the Top 500 kids in the state are in Iowa at the National Championships, providing the perfect opportunity to cherry pick a "state" medal. KJO, I bet if you try real hard the ol' station wagon will make it all the way to Iowa. If you think the National Championships would be a tune up for NYWA you should give it a try with your genetically tuned animals.....or it may be time to invest in a new Spalding and some new high tops. |
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| The Bog Man | Nov 4 2009, 11:40 PM Post #5 |
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Do you know how moronic this sounds? So, you're assuming that EVERY top kid at EVERY weight forgoes NYWA for the MN/USA National tournament? That is pretty funny. Time to step down off your high horse just a bit. I know a few parents that would strongly disagree with you calling their sons State Championship "cherry picked". |
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| gardenbuff | Nov 5 2009, 10:48 AM Post #6 |
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Of course it sounds "moronic" to those parents who have been going to NYWA. No one doubts that. It is a fact the best kids in the state are in Iowa, no question about it. There are a few, 1 in 100, that choose to go to NYWA to wrestle for their team. They are from small schools and the NYWA team tournament is a very good small community team event. No high horse here, just the facts. NYWA supporters have been using excuses and "get off your high horse" for years on this forum. Now you get a chance to cash the checks you have been writing on this forum. Next year is a perfect opportunity for the cherry pickers and Guillotine tough typers to step up and see how good you are. The National Championships are not the same weekend as JayCee State or NYWA State, so no excuses. The NYWA does a terrific job of offering Friday and Sunday qualifiers, so no excuses. Please don't misinterpret my message, the NYWA is fine organization and a terrific tournament. But, for years now they have built their business on people seeking an opportunity while the very best kids are out of state. There is a need for the JayCee's and NYWA, but dont think for a second that an NYWA medal puts you anywhere near the top in this wrestling rich state. |
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| KJO | Nov 5 2009, 11:01 AM Post #7 |
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I don't see how two options to wrestle USA Nationals and NYWA State pollute our sport??? Sorry your feelings got hurt, sounds like you might need to get some counseling to deal with people that have a higher IQ. Sounds like you should give NYWA a shot this year to take away one of those cherry pick "state medals" 
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| MISSION | Nov 5 2009, 11:27 AM Post #8 |
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KJO makes a comment about how NYWA state and on USA nationals are on different weekends – He then wonders if one or both will see an increase in kids.—He is not sure if USA nationals will see an increase in kids or not---- Then he makes the biggest mistake of all ---- OMG –Stop the Presses----– seeing how USA nationals is before NYWA state he seems to think that facing some fierce competition prior to NYWA state would entice some more kids to go to USA nationals. WRONG THING TO SAY- I guess--- Now he is obviously an idiot of little intelligence driving an old station wagon and wearing high top shoes. Where this comes from I have no idea. All I can say is WOW! I don’t think he was comparing the competition at either of the venues – or was he? He simply says how nationals would be a good tune up before NYWA state. How someone can be offended by this simple statement is beyond me. I would think top high school programs look to wrestle tough national competition throughout the year in an effort to improve their kids overall and for their own state tournament. Of course a tournament like the Clash is tougher than our state tournament, but is it wrong to say that it is good tune up for our state tournament. The most disturbing comments on this thread are made by gardenbuff and it is obvious that he is the one lacking intelligence. He has gathered the facts to support his gross generalization that the only reason that kids wrestle NYWA is because the “Top 500 kids in the state are in Iowa” during NYWA. That would lead me to believe that few kids will show up this year as they will be to scared that those top 500 kids will now have an opportunity to show up to NYWA. NYWA only gets kids who are to chicken to go wrestle USA nationals. He doubts that kids who compete in NYWA have any interest in National Championships. I disagree, but you are entitled to your opinion. I would be willing to bet that there will be a few new faces at nationals who have chose to do NYWA in the past. Nice thing this year though-- you can bring your boy to NYWA to pick up one of those cherry picked state medals. Does USA nationals have tougher competition that NYWA state? Of course---and I would hope so.--- |
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| tr29 | Nov 5 2009, 11:33 AM Post #9 |
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 If the NYWA tournament is for cherry pickers, why did a kid that won the USA National Title 2 years ago only place 5th in the NYWA tournament last year. Shouldn't he have walked through the such a weak tournament. We go to the NYWA. It's nothing against the USA, i'm just not going to travel 4+ hours and spend $500 when i can travel 40 minutes and my sons can still wrestle some of the toughest kids in the state. Not to mention they wrestle in the team event. If parents want to travel 4 to 10 hrs away, and spend thousands of dollars in doing so, go for it. The fact of the matter is some people can't afford to do these things. Or can't take the time. |
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| MISSION | Nov 5 2009, 11:45 AM Post #10 |
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I am sorry but you are wrong. Your intelligence is little and you should be thankful and accepting of the facts have been clearly stated by gardenbuff (a person of superior intelligence) "The reason they wrestled NYWA is because the Top 500 kids in the state are in Iowa at the National Championships" Don't even try to come up with other factors. |
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| MISSION | Nov 5 2009, 11:50 AM Post #11 |
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tr29 I would suggest that you have your kid stay away from NYWA this year. With USA nationals on a different weekend I don't think you want to take any chances in having your kid paired up against a kid who has been going to USA Nationals in years past. |
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| tr29 | Nov 5 2009, 12:03 PM Post #12 |
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I'm sure my kids will never even make it out of their regions, If the top 500 kids are going to be back. That must mean most of the kids that made it to the tournament last year, won't next year.
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| tr29 | Nov 5 2009, 12:12 PM Post #13 |
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Besides debating which is better USA or NYWA. I would like to discuss something new. I don't think we have ever discussed age vs grade on this site. 
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| Stumplifter | Nov 5 2009, 12:15 PM Post #14 |
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Good lord  Obviously you know nothing about Kevin (KJO). He is the director of our clubs Greco/Freestyle program, which are "USA card required" events. He is an avid supporter of USA tournaments,......... AND NYWA tournaments, .........AND any other tournaments when it comes to this sport. I think he supports USA a bit more than NYWA, but I have never heard him bad mouth NYWA just because he prefers USA. Having been around this sport for years, it's nice to see the 2 'events' that are being discussed falling on different weekends. SOME of the top kids in the state go to the USA tournament in Iowa every year and SOME of the top kids in the state go to the NYWA state tournament every year. |
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| tr29 | Nov 5 2009, 12:29 PM Post #15 |
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Well said. By the way we do both NYWA and USA state tournaments |
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| The Bog Man | Nov 5 2009, 02:00 PM Post #16 |
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You find me the MN/USA results, and I'll bet you whatever you want that I can find results from last year showing at least 25% (and maybe even 50%) of the USA champs losing to a kid that didn't wrestle USA. You really think 9 out of 10 of the best kids just automatically wrestle in a National tournament 500 miles away? As if the drive alone doesn't deter some, there is the money, the time, and the LIFE some people live beyond wrestling. I can name 4 boys from 1 family alone that at any given time could win ANY of our State Championships that didn't go to Nationals last year. I'd be willing to bet that if your son has wrestled any of them ever, he has lost at least once to them. Wow.... |
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| gardenbuff | Nov 5 2009, 02:45 PM Post #17 |
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Stumplifter, you are right in that I do not know KJO. Good point. My message can be read in a condescending tone, but was written tongue and cheek. The facts are are the facts though. The NYWA is not what many hope it is, just cant be when you take 500 of the best kids in the state out of the equation. It is nice to see that 2010 they are different dates. The Bog Man, blah, blah, blah, yak, yak, yak. The NYWA and USA have two completely different age requirements, i.e. one is by grade and the other is by birth year. That makes a huge difference in the results. How many times on here have we seen, "My kid beat (X) who placed at MNUSA." Well, the MNUSA kid was probably a 5th grader born in 99. In the 5th/6th grade division you could have kids born in three different birth years. He was the old kid in MNUSA and drastically the young kid at NYWA. No, there is not a family with four boys that can win any and every state championship. Also, there is not a single kid in this state that has not been beat. It is tough state, especially if you wrestle the best events. |
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| HDPOLFOOTBASEWREST | Nov 5 2009, 02:51 PM Post #18 |
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hey gardenbuff are you for real ? or are you just joking around? |
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| MISSION | Nov 5 2009, 02:53 PM Post #19 |
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I thought he was clearly joking at first too, but the more I read and thought about it -- I really think he is for real. Come on gardenbuff give me a reply. In case you missed it the first time Here is part of it. The most disturbing comments on this thread are made by gardenbuff and it is obvious that he is the one lacking intelligence. He has gathered the facts to support his gross generalization that the only reason that kids wrestle NYWA is because the “Top 500 kids in the state are in Iowa” during NYWA. That would lead me to believe that few kids will show up this year as they will be to scared that those top 500 kids will now have an opportunity to show up to NYWA. NYWA only gets kids who are to chicken to go wrestle USA nationals. He doubts that kids who compete in NYWA have any interest in National Championships. I disagree, but you are entitled to your opinion. I would be willing to bet that there will be a few new faces at nationals who have chose to do NYWA in the past. Nice thing this year though-- you can bring your boy to NYWA to pick up one of those cherry picked state medals. Does USA nationals have tougher competition that NYWA state? Of course---and I would hope so.--- Edited by MISSION, Nov 5 2009, 02:56 PM.
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| HDPOLFOOTBASEWREST | Nov 5 2009, 03:21 PM Post #20 |
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i dont know the facts but to say the best 500 kids in minnesota are not at Rochester is ludacris MAYBE SOME OF THE BEST GO BUT 500 WOW THATS A BOLD STATEMENT INDEED! ITS BS!!! WHO ARE YOU GARDEN BUFF? |
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| gardenbuff | Nov 5 2009, 03:29 PM Post #21 |
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These are your words, not mine. You are putting words in someone elses mouth. I am saying that the NYWA has created a following of parents and clubs who like the level of competition. The facts are the facts, the vast majority of the best kids have been absent from the state the weekend of the NYWA tournament for years now. Now, we all get the opportunity to back up the tough typing that was done on this forum around the NYWA. The truth is, I bet very few of the NYWA faithful go to Iowa. There are some kids that belong in Iowa and who have been faithful to NYWA that this benefits. However, the majority who have boasted their NYWA success on here will lay low and make excuses. I also bet the NYWA will be a little tougher this year as some of the kids that have been going to Iowa will head to Rochester as well. Having the two events on different dates is the best thing that has happened for our state in years. Perhaps the NYWA medals wont be so easy to come by in 2010 and after. We have gone a few times, easiest brackets we have had. The MNUSA and MYAS tournaments are much tougher. The USA Nationals is the best tournament we have ever been to. Yes, we have been to Tulsa. You are right, we are entitled to our opinions. |
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| MISSION | Nov 5 2009, 03:31 PM Post #22 |
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-- I quote "The reason they wrestled NYWA is because the Top 500 kids in the state are in Iowa at the National Championships, providing the perfect opportunity to cherry pick a "state" medal." It is my experience that people who make such bold claims such as this are usually too scared to say who they are. gardenbuff may be different- I don't know. I hope he isn't too scared to say who he is ecspecially after this statement. He clearly states how these kids wrestle NYWA because the top 500 from are state are not at NYWA. Trying to cover his BS now saying it was simply written tongue-in-cheek. |
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| MISSION | Nov 5 2009, 03:36 PM Post #23 |
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Words in someone elses mouth? "The reason they wrestled NYWA is because the Top 500 kids in the state are in Iowa at the National Championships, providing the perfect opportunity to cherry pick a "state" medal. These are your words. I am trying to understand how you have arrived at this "fact" that the REASON kids wrestle NYWA is because the top 500 kids are in Iowa?????? Edited by MISSION, Nov 5 2009, 03:36 PM.
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| MISSION | Nov 5 2009, 03:46 PM Post #24 |
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Come on gardenbuff please tell us who you are-- I want to be sure to catch your son walk through NYWA and get his cherry picked state medal. We will see who is making excuses if and when he does not.
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| gardenbuff | Nov 5 2009, 03:49 PM Post #25 |
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Edited by gardenbuff, Nov 5 2009, 03:54 PM.
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| HDPOLFOOTBASEWREST | Nov 5 2009, 03:54 PM Post #26 |
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maybe garden buff is a women? hence the garden buff handle? |
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| MISSION | Nov 5 2009, 04:02 PM Post #27 |
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This has been an entertainment value -- thank you gardenbuff -- I don't deny that 500+ kids are in iowa. There are more than 500 at NYWA too. Who Cares. I would hope the competition at a national event would be tougher than a state event. If not then something is wrong. If the competition is sooo mediocre at NYWA I can't wait to watch your boy walk through it and get his cherry picked champion medal. -- We need to know who you are though -- don't be scared like the kids who are too scared to go to USA nationals. gbdrsegab Saying a large number of the best or very competitive is very different than you original claim "The Top 500 kids in the state are in Iowa" I hope you are bright enough to realize how false that statement is. Edited by MISSION, Nov 5 2009, 04:22 PM.
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| The OC | Nov 5 2009, 06:22 PM Post #28 |
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I find it dissapointing that this topic comes up as a piont of contention every year within our wrestling world. I see it the opposite...2 great tournaments for our boys. We have wrestled in both and have enjoyed wrestling in both of them. They are both very good tournaments. There is much more incommon in these organizations than there is differences. I think alternative weekends is great. BTW, KJO's boys have held their own quite well in both tournaments. Further, Kevin is one of wrestling's best supporters/coaches and dads. Gardenbuff..I'm not sure where you were trying to come from, but you came off very childish and devisive. I was very sorry to see your banter. Joe O'Connor |
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| Cradle_To_Grave | Nov 5 2009, 06:59 PM Post #29 |
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There seems to be a lot of anetedotal examples of wrestlers placing better at one or the other state tournament. Just glancing at the results suggest some of the same wrestlers did better at USA state versus NYWA and vice versa. Has anyone ever done an analysis on wresters that compete in both? Not that it's necessary, just curious. Again, just looking at the results suggest both are very tough tournaments! I often see a lot of the same names on top of both... |
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| stmabooster | Nov 5 2009, 09:58 PM Post #30 |
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NYWA is a very tough state tournament. Personally, I think Mn/USA state and NYWA state are pretty even in quality. One is age based and the other grade based, so one tournament can be tougher for one wrestler and the other can be tougher for a different wrestler because of that difference. All I was trying to say in my first post was that state tournaments are usually tune ups for national tournaments, not the other way around. I do hope some of our top out state kids that have historically done well at NYWA will give USA state and nationals a shot. I think they would be impressed with the experience. Edited by stmabooster, Nov 5 2009, 09:59 PM.
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