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Topic Started: Aug 31 2010, 09:59 AM (659 Views)
Rik McCloud
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I think *huff* I need help. ^^;;
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NO LONGER RELEVANT. PLEASE DELETE THREAD
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FenrirKar
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Too... TIGHT! AAAARRRGH!!
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Were there stuck images on there?
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Rik McCloud
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I think *huff* I need help. ^^;;
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FenrirKar,Aug 31 2010
11:48 AM
Were there stuck images on there?

Don't remember seeing any but I thought seeing as a lot of the users here are furries that they might visit the page occasionally.
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FenrirKar
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Too... TIGHT! AAAARRRGH!!
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Honestly, have never even heard of it until now x3
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Tailbate
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Stuck for Life
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Same here.
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TankTheOrca89
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Too... TIGHT! AAAARRRGH!!
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Ditto
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David31
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I haven't heard of this site either?
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VixyFox
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Honestly I'm glad to see this site go. I helped an artist try to get his art work taken down (as he specifically says on his FA page all the time to not repost his work) but after flagging all of the pictures of his, the guy who ran the site banned me. His reason "Go away". Honestly he was extremely childish and quite an asshole. Every other image board I know of including Fchan, Pawsru, and a few others have DNP lists. And will often take down works that are part of said list. This guy who ran e621 was just a jerk.

So am I glad to see the site down? Yes. Even if it is just one site and there are tons out there, it's one step in the right direction. Had he been a decent guy who would have taken down the artists work at their request, then I would be sad to see the site go.

Anyways, that's all I'm saying about it, just glad to see him shut down.
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FenrirKar
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Too... TIGHT! AAAARRRGH!!
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Well, in that case, good riddance! :P
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IronGut
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20lbs in a 5lb bag
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VixyFox,Sep 2 2010
07:12 PM
Honestly I'm glad to see this site go. I helped an artist try to get his art work taken down (as he specifically says on his FA page all the time to not repost his work) but after flagging all of the pictures of his, the guy who ran the site banned me. His reason "Go away". Honestly he was extremely childish and quite an asshole. Every other image board I know of including Fchan, Pawsru, and a few others have DNP lists. And will often take down works that are part of said list. This guy who ran e621 was just a jerk.

So am I glad to see the site down? Yes. Even if it is just one site and there are tons out there, it's one step in the right direction. Had he been a decent guy who would have taken down the artists work at their request, then I would be sad to see the site go.

Anyways, that's all I'm saying about it, just glad to see him shut down.

Now I disagree here. Granted, banning someone with the message of "go away" is douchebaggy, but the reason behind the site was to essentially be, Fchan WITHOUT the restrictions of DNP!

Granted, I'm all for supporting artists and their right to control their work to some degree, but I've really been on the side of "let as many people see my stuff as possible" since the very beginning, and not just for the selfish reasons that I get more free art! It means the artist gets more EXPOSURE, which, in a community that is made up of nothing BUT artists, is the thing you need most. If you want to get commissioners, you need to have people who know who you are and/or follow you! How the hell am I supposed to know that, say, "user-X" on FA is accepting commissions, and is in fact DIRE NEED of the money from commissions if I've never found that person because he only wants things to be seen from his website or from his FA page? Or an even more real world example, if I'm at FA:U or some other furry con in the dealers den, and I see Karno selling issues of Big Funnies or Aubrin selling a new comic he's made, and then I see someone I've never heard of or know anything about selling a comic book, I'm gonna go for Karno and Aubrin and not give the mystery artist a second glance! EXPOSURE IS GOOD! You need to let as many people see you as possible, and you don't do that by locking everything in a bullet-proof safe no matter WHAT the reason.

Then there's the point of "but how will people know my art is mine if some dumb Fchan poster posts my art as "hungry asshole.jpg" or whatever. Simple! WATERMARKS! And I'm not talking full image watermarks because that's doing the same thing as locking it up, I mean a little watermark/signature that goes in a corner of the drawing somewhere between the characters, so it can't be cropped out but isn't distracting from the image.

Sorry if Im going on a big rant here, but this issue has been stuck in my craw for years since I've been in the furry community, and while I'm not going to say that artists who lock up their work are douchebags or whatever, and that they do have the right to control their work to some degree (I'm a fan of creative commons and the public domain), I have the right to not support them in any way, including respecting their "don't redistribute" tags. It's like the multimedia industry, if you want to control your media, don't release it at all, it's the only way.
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VixyFox
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I'm going to have to disagree with you for the most part. I do agree that sometimes it gets artists known, what I don't agree with is blatantly going against the artists wishes and re-posting the artists work without his/her permission. He wants it shown just where he posted it, then that should be fine. The problem with a lot of these image boards is I've seen artists work reposted by some jerk who takes credit for the work. Either by removing the small watermark (which is why I'm a fan of the large watermarks) or just don't give the artist credit at all.

You didn't make the picture, so why do you get to choose to repost it or not? (yes arguing this point is rather pointless because if you don't see the problem with it, you won't understand.)
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FenrirKar
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I'm gonna agree with Vixy here, but I suggest just deleting this topic before this gets all outta hand. Not entirely sure why this was posted in the first place, truth be told, as it has nothing to do with stuckage xD
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IronGut
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FenrirKar,Sep 3 2010
11:24 AM
I'm gonna agree with Vixy here, but I suggest just deleting this topic before this gets all outta hand. Not entirely sure why this was posted in the first place, truth be told, as it has nothing to do with stuckage xD

Well true it doesn't lol, but hey, what's wrong with a little intellectual debate? As long as we're being reasonable about it, which we are, and not insulting each other, I don't see a problem with it.

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The problem with a lot of these image boards is I've seen artists work reposted by some jerk who takes credit for the work. Either by removing the small watermark (which is why I'm a fan of the large watermarks) or just don't give the artist credit at all.

You didn't make the picture, so why do you get to choose to repost it or not? (yes arguing this point is rather pointless because if you don't see the problem with it, you won't understand.)


As for not understanding your position, I absolutely do! and I agree with you that the idiots who take art and proclaim it as their own or don't give any sort of credit are being douchebags and deserve to be banned from wherever they are posting it, absolutely.

My main argument though comes from the fact that I'm a firm believer in rich culture, and culture (in other words our art and multimedia) is built off of previous works from the past. Inspiration doesn't come from nothing. Never has and never will. I've never liked any sort of copyright but I agree that artists can control their work, but like I said before, ONLY TO A POINT. I don't think any artist be it musician, movie maker, or furry artist has the right to choose who can look at their stuff and who can't unless it's art that people have to pay for, and even that within reason is a bit much control. It's like if I were to say to you, "You can't come into my night-club because you didn't approach it from the correct direction of north". It's just silly.

Of course like I said, pay stuff is almost entirely different, and I too oppose when people post paysite stuff like sexyfur comics or what have you. But anything that's being given away for free shouldn't have any sort of restrictions on it, it's completely arbitrary and silly.
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VixyFox
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I can agree with some of your comments like I said in my last post. And I agree, all art comes from inspiration of something else. I just think that if an artist doesn't want all his work showing up on a site that he didn't put it on or want it on then the site owner should respect the artists choice.

I'm glad though that you understand my point. And trust me a part of me agrees with what you are saying. I just don't agree that every piece of art should be posted by other people.
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