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| BSG Final Season; This is it folks! | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 4 2008, 07:09 PM (1,677 Views) | |
| Kerra | Apr 4 2008, 07:09 PM Post #1 |
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20 Years Strong
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BSG has not been on since we made our move to Vanguard so here is where we post about the final frontier for Battlestar Galactica! And I want to start with this post I misposted in another spot. I know I have been one of the biggest critics of this past season's storyline, but I have to say, after watching all the episodes I could this week during the reruns, and after watching the last episode again, I have to say BSG is nothing if not emotionally powerful. I just got all choked up watching the last 20 minutes of that last episode. I am actually scared to death for humanity. I am scared to death for every last human because I am a human and I just don't want the Cylons to win.... but .... I just can't believe, unless the Cylons become more human than the humans, that our rag-tag "gang" of humans has much of a chance (even if Kara Thrace says she can saved everyone). And again, I think the arrow of Cylon fate points toward the 5th Cylon being one of our beloved female leads. |
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| monty24llr | Apr 4 2008, 08:07 PM Post #2 |
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Starfighter Ace
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I think it would be beyond cool if it turns out to be Tom Zarek. :) |
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| geogirl | Apr 5 2008, 11:44 AM Post #3 |
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Brown Coat Forever!!!
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Say what you will about this series but like it or hate it...you cannot deny that it is emotionally powerful. I wish I had gone back and watched the last couple of episodes from last season because it took me a little while to "get back in the groove" so to speak. I remembered the major plot points Baltar won trial, Kera came back from the dead, 4 cylons revealed...but those stories had lost their emotional punch. That's what happens when you have to wait so frakin' long in between seasons. Gosh it was great to have it back though. There was enough action in the first 10 minutes of the show to keep me on the edge of my seat. I'm pretty sure Starbuck isn't a cylon but I'm not cetain exactly what she *is*. Is it a Kera from the future? Or maybe the past? Or perhaps some type of cylon-human hybrid we've never seen before? How do you explain her ship or the time lapse? Maybe when she went to Earth she visited the hydra station and dropped in on our buddy Locke. :) It was a great start to what I hope will be an outstanding season. One that will make a fitting end to this show and do it justice. Oh, for those of you guessing about the 5th cylon: IF you are interested, go to the BSG spoiler thread and read my post which has the picture of the cast which looks like "The Last Supper". It does NOT tell you who the final cylon is but there is a VERY important hint as to who it is not. Make sure you read the last line. |
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| monty24llr | Apr 5 2008, 06:38 PM Post #4 |
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I, for one, love this series and have since the very first episode. I will definitely hate to see it end. It is first rate in character development, casting, writing, production values, you name it. The storylines and plot development have been intriguing and thought provoking and is not only stellar in the sci fi genre but in serialized fiction in general. It will be a sad day when the last scene ends and the curtain falls on this series. After checking out the "last supper" picture, I see two very obvious missing persons: Gaeta and Dualla. Both of them would be excellent candidates for the last Cylon. Each plays a crucial role and have been in a position to help the Cylons keep tabs on the fleet. Gaeta in his role as tactical officer and aide to Baltar and Dualla as communications officer and daughter-in-law of the fleet commander. At various times I have thought (hoped) that Adama would turn out to be the 12th Cylon and had even thought that his discovery of the planet where the Cylons carried out their first experiments might have been a clue. I thought it would have been a nice plot twist if the Cylons had captured the real Adama and replaced him with a model designed in his image to be the first one to infiltrate the human race. Since that didn't happen with Adama, maybe that's what happened with Starbuck and the real one has been on New Caprica all this time and only just been returned to set the stage for the final conflict. After all, she's been a Cylon prisoner at least twice and had miraculous rescues. Hard to believe the Cylons would be so careless unless it was on purpose. |
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| jdono | Apr 7 2008, 11:58 PM Post #5 |
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I thought it was a great season premier. I was kinda freaked out when Tigh shot Adama in the head; even though I knew it had to be a dream sequence or something to that effect. I also don't think that Kara is a Cylon. My guess has been Rosyln for a while now, so I'm sticking to that. Baltar seems to almost be getting comfortable with the way his "worshipers" are treating him - almost like he's beginning to believe the hype. That could get interesting as thing move along. |
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| jdono | Apr 12 2008, 02:17 PM Post #6 |
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The second show of this last season was pretty good. I like that they spent some time with the human-cylons on their ship and showed that things aren't quite so content there. For machines, these cylons sure have the feelings of humans, which makes their dynamic so interesting. I see on the previews for next week that models that Six didn't quite agree with are reborn-made. I wonder if in the process, Six could manipulate the way they think to come around to her way of thinking. On to poor Kara "we're going the wrong way" Thrace. It seems that she accomplished her goal sort of by at least putting a bit of doubt into Adama's mind, seeing he's letting her go off and do some recon, for lack of a better term. Rosyln seems bent on not believing her and I liked Kara's argument of how she trusted her on a feeling and why can't the Prez do the same. So far everything is shaping up for something big. On a side note, maybe it's just me, but does Geo's pic of the BSG people on the bottom of her posts seem to pulsate? Just wondering. |
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| geogirl | Apr 12 2008, 02:30 PM Post #7 |
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Brown Coat Forever!!!
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What have you been smoking JD? :) Seriously though, if you stare at it long enough. I think it's a trick of the light plus, I did swipe those pictures from a SciFi website advertisement that was animated so maybe you're brain is thinking of that as well. May I make a suggestion? If we are going to keep all of our post about this season in one thread could we at least label which episode we are talking about? Maybe the first person to post about a new episode could put the title of the episode at the top of their post in bold letters. That way we know that post and every post after is about that specific episode (until we see a new eppy title of course.) Does that make sense? |
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| MadAmosMalone | Apr 12 2008, 03:03 PM Post #8 |
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RIP Doomsday and Melody
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I've refrained from commenting because, unlike Monty, I am NOT a fan of this show. I make no secret about that and never have. Frankly I don't even really LIKE the show but I've watched it enough to know at least most of what's going on. That's saying something because as anyone who knows me will attest, I don't watch much television. So anyway after that for a preface lemme just say this. "This has all happened before. It will happen again" is a (pardon the pun) recurring theme on this show. Earlier in the last season someone made the comment about how the "bullet-head" Cylons were left as dumb machines so the "skin jobs" could live a life of relative luxury. At that point I knew something like last night was bound to happen....or happen again as it were. |
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| Kerra | Apr 12 2008, 05:13 PM Post #9 |
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I certainly hope I don't have to hear Starbuck scream, "We're going the wrong way" one more time. I will shoot her myself. Still, I have the same crictisms of this show and its writing as before, a lack of humor bothers me. And now this... I am so tired of these long drawn out scenes where someone gives someone else a stare and it goes on for many more seconds than it has to. It takes away from the story, when they "the writers" are actually working on a story. Example: We all know that Syx is going to bring in the big guys to mow down the troublemakers and yet we had to have 20 seconds or more of everyone staring at each other. Even the Centurions got to stare down the "skins" before they blasted away. What a waste of precious storytelling time. I am also tired of watching Baltar doing the "wild thing" with every female on the ship. Who hasn't he boinked yet? The President and Lee's wife. Any others left? Now as for story. . . . there was so much space in that space show that they could have Starback and her recon team already on the ship and halfway to wherever by now. The scenes, when we get them, are good and suspenseful but a lot less space between dialog and more movement in plot would make me a happier viewer. I feel they are simply dragging it out because they want the final season to be in 2009 for ratings sake but they ran out of story to tell. I predict I shall be as frustated at the end of this season as I am now and when season 3 ended. But I am optimistic and hope in the end I will be shocked and surprised and blown away and utterly amazed by who the final Cylon turns out to be. |
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| Kirock | Apr 25 2008, 06:46 PM Post #10 |
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"... And The Eagle Fly ..."
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I agree with you Amos that everyone saw a Cylon civil war coming, even from very early in the series. That doesn't make it a bad thing but it was rather predictable. And I agree with you Kerra that a lack of humor really hurts this show. To me it makes it seem less real because no matter how bad things have ever been in my life, or the life of my friends, or family, it has never been all dark all the time. There has always been some good, some light, somewhere. The darkness of this show has really turned me off, I'm not even sure I can stick with it to the end, and that is unusual for me. I waited and waited and waited for the new season to begin and then it has gotten darker with each new episode. I only got one good scene out of last week, when Adama apologized to Roslyn. One good scene just isn't enough for me. You look at last weeks Dr. Who and several times you had people sacrificing themselfves for others, but on BSG you had people sacrificing others for themselves. I hope that isn't a true measure of humanity today or we are in big trouble. And I really hope they lighten up the tone for the stretch run, I'd hate to see it end this dark. Its like they are trying to make this show as dark as they possibly can. And they have probably lost some viewers along the way. I just hope the hell these guys never get their hands on Star Trek. And that thought really scares me because of Moore's past association with Trek. |
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| Kerra | Apr 26 2008, 06:26 PM Post #11 |
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And I thought I was going to disagree with you on this Kirock, but after last night's episode I can hardly watch it. They choose not to show us what's happening with the Cylons because that is the story that is moving along. This council argument and the drawn out way in which Baltar's story is being told frustrates me and quite literally is boring. If I want to watch this sort of stuff I can turn on C-Span. The only scene I cared about last night was Roselyn telling Baltar exactly how she feels. That takes guts. I want my scifi to be realistic but this show pushes the boring button. |
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| monty24llr | Apr 26 2008, 08:56 PM Post #12 |
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And if this series started having a few chuckles, it would lose ME as a viewer. This is a series about the last of humanity on the run for their lives not knowing where they're going or if they will even be able to survive if they get there. These people are literally in the middle of a Greek tragedy. This isn't Star Trek with it's "humanity will prevail" feel good message that allows it to side step into a humorous episode now and again. This is an ongoing saga about the last of an endagered species and their fight for survival. Not exactly the ingredients for a good belly laugh. It's dark, and it's meant to be dark. All I can say is if I found it so excrutiating I'd quit watching it because it ain't gonna get any lighter as it heads to the final scene. |
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| Kerra | Apr 26 2008, 10:34 PM Post #13 |
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Please do not mis-read my meaning here Monty. I know you like the show and I am not saying it isn't worthwhile. And I, the one who always walks on the dark side, is by no means wanting this show to become sugar-coated Star Trek. That would be demeaning (no offense Star Trek fans). This show is not the old BSG and it does not live in the Star Trek universe. Just remember I am the only one that liked "Razor" and that was because of its darkness. It told the story the way it had to be told. What I don't like myself is how long it takes for the writers to pull together the plot. I believe last week's episode and this week's episode could have been told in half the time. I like a timely plot pace. I get tired of long, meangful stares and glances across the room that take 10 seconds for the editor to put together. I think the pacing is too slow. It would serve the story better with a half-a-click faster pace. Let the darkness continue. I wish they would crack a dry, sly joke every once in a while, just to show these humans on earth that they really are our distant cousins, because the best of our humans laugh at such odds and then win the day. As I have said before, humans on this earth will laugh in the face of such danger and then beat the odds. |
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| jdono | May 4 2008, 11:17 AM Post #14 |
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I wonder if I'm the only one who thinks that Baltar's Six is playing him like a fiddle and Baltar is falling for it hook, line and sinker. Balter is really believing that he can be and is this voice of relgious reason. It's a wierd plot where I'm not too crazy about religion being used a plot device, but at the same time, I'm curious as to how it will all play out. Starbuck is pretty much off her rocker, and her crew has had enough of it. However, next week's preview shows her with the Cylon hybrid, so I can only assume she either got her way, or she hopped in a viper and took off on her own. I don't think those scenes should have been part of the previews, as it gave too much away. Finally, there's an interesting dynamic going on between Tigh and the Six prisoner. I don't think Six knows that Tigh is a Cylon, but I'm guessing she figures it out soon enough. |
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| snake00 | May 4 2008, 04:19 PM Post #15 |
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Virtual Ninja
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I'm with you Kerra. Same goes for Lost. They just drag out eppies after eppies with maybe one point of interest or mystery to keep you coming back week after week. Not so sure if that's brilliant writing or lazy writing <_< |
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| jdono | May 11 2008, 12:15 PM Post #16 |
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The May 9th episode which name I can't recall was pretty strange. Does anyone else think that somewhere deep inside Roslyn is thinking there may be something to the stuff Baltar is selling? She almost sounds like she's trying to convince herself that he's full of crap. Starbuck and her crew had a rather interesting time on the Cylon Base ship. The most interesting thing to me was Anders trying to act as neutral and nonchalant as possible thinking that maybe one of the Cylons would figure him out. Boomer or one of the other 8's seems to have a look of surprise when the one of the other 8's was killed by the centurian and Anders showed compassion. So the the Cylon hybrid called Kara a harbringer of death. If the Cylons think that, what will the humans think? |
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| nannyjo | May 11 2008, 01:20 PM Post #17 |
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Okay... I admit that I really don't watch the show so I'm not up on everything. It's just on manytimes and I pick up things here and there. I need to be straightened out on one thing though. I know a littl about the cylon/human baby and that it was a "big deal." Now that "chief" is a cylon doesn't that make his and Callie's baby the same thing? Can that be answered simply? Or did I miss too much to even come close to understanding.... If it is too big of a deal, don't waste the time, honest... I'll live a full and complete life not knowing. It was just nitpicking at me, is all. |
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| monty24llr | May 12 2008, 08:32 PM Post #18 |
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I guess the Cylons would be making a big deal of Nicky if they knew that Tyrol was one of the final 5. |
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| geogirl | May 14 2008, 07:14 PM Post #19 |
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Brown Coat Forever!!!
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Hey, was that Nana Vistor playing the dying woman? It sure looked like her. I kept trying to picture her with those nose crease thingies... I kind of enjoyed this episode if only because we finally got some action. Gun shots, blood, explosions....yippie! I never thought I'd be so happy to see violence but I was just so thankful I didn't have to watch Baltar lounging around in his bathrobe again!!! Yeah, I think Roslin is going to "drink the coolaid" so to speak. Or she is at least thinking about it. Frankly, I am quite tired of that storyline. Last week when Baltar went to visit Chief in his quarters I kept screaming at the TV "Shoot him!!" "Just shoot him!!" "Please, for the love of all that is sacred on SciFi TV, just SHOOT HIM!!" Instead they just shake hands. Aw cripes!! I'm not sure I can stand Baltar's wanna be Hugh Hefner show anymore. As far as I'm concerned, the less of him the better. I'm glad next week looks to be Sharon centric. Oops, I mean Athena. Maybe we will actually learn some new information. |
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| Kerra | May 14 2008, 09:13 PM Post #20 |
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Yep, Nana Visitor was a visitor on BSG! Too bad she didn't last. She added so much character to the story. Blood and broken bones, it was fantastic. But I was so afraid Mr. Geata was going to die, and with no ressurection ship around I was wondering what would happen to him: hint, hint. The Koolaid Geo!! LOL!!! It does seem she will be taking a walk down that path... all I can hear when that stroyline is running is the wonderful refrain from Highlander "There can be only One!" Sharon, Athena, Boomer... I do prefer Boomer because it sounds so cool. I have to agree this was a blast back to the old BSG we fell in love with way back when. I am excited because the storyline is finally showing promise. Humans and Cylons joining together to reach earth and infuse it with their mythos. Yep, it could be interesting. |
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| Kerra | May 17 2008, 11:33 AM Post #21 |
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Sooooo, Mr Gaeta sings. Very interesting. That's all I'll post until I know others have had a chance to watch. |
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| geogirl | May 18 2008, 01:28 PM Post #22 |
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Brown Coat Forever!!!
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I was thinking the same thing. The other 4 mystery cylons found out the secret because they all had that same song running through their heads. Maybe Mr. Gaeta has his own "song" so to speak. So we were suppose to think Starbuck was bad because the hybrid told her she was the bringer of death. Everybody assumed it would be death to the humans but maybe it was really death to the cylons. After hearing the cylon speak to the humans I'm starting to suspect that's what the hybrid ment. By leading the humans into this alliance with the cylons and destroying the resurection hub, Starbuck will indeed be bringing "Death" to the cylons. I'm glad the President is finally pushing for answers. I can't believe it took her this long. Finally! Maybe we will learn something. It's getting good now! |
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| Kerra | May 18 2008, 06:30 PM Post #23 |
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I was thinking the same thing about Starbuck, Geo. The Angel of Death for the warmongering Cylons. But what of the Centurians with the rebels? Its sad but I guess we are going to watch Laura pass on, but maybe we shall see her gain wisdom and truht? Now as for Mr. Gaeta, remember back on new Caprica, how he saved the humans? How he treated Baltar? How the Cylons treated him? Remember when Deanna saw the 5th Cylon and her reaction was startled, and then she said "Forgive us?" I think it all fits. |
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| jdono | May 18 2008, 06:39 PM Post #24 |
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It sure seems like they are leading us to think that the last cylon is either Gaeta or Roslyn. I hope it is one of those two and not someone else who makes no sense for it to be. One good thing about Baltar being stuck on the Cylon base ship as it jumped away is that we won't be seeing him hanging with his harem for now. I see that there are 3 episodes left, and these should be some doozies. |
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| monty24llr | May 31 2008, 05:22 AM Post #25 |
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Interesting episode. My random thoughts: So Saul's supposedly gonna be a daddy? I'm curious to find out how this will be resolved considering it has been established that a Cylon couldn't conceive a child with another Cylon. And what a bizarre form of government the Colonies have that they can bypass the vice president and whoever else may have been in line for succession and make the most junior member of the council the new president. But I must say that the role of politician seems to sit well on Lee's shoulders. He has become much more focused and assertive now that he's no longer under his father's shadow. I was pleased to see the compassion the doctor showed toward Six when he took her hand during her final moments. For that instant at least she was no longer a machine to him, but simply another dying patient who needed the comfort of knowing she wasn't alone. For me, this time the sum of the parts was greater than the whole episode. |
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