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BSG Final Season; This is it folks!
Topic Started: Apr 4 2008, 07:09 PM (1,681 Views)
Kerra
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That is some awesome research Geo. You amaze me. :D

Now, to see the Hybrid's words I think that perhaps it may be as simple as Starbuck leading them to Earth, and yet, there is the father sequence, and her apparent ressurection. The thought occurred to me that perhpas there is a ressurection facility close to Earth that has not been destroyed (that is if Kara is a Cylon).

So now, again I am stumped, and better to go into the next episode with a locked mystery than thinking you've you've got the key.


One more thing... when I mentioned Milton's "Paradise Lost" and the argument between Lucifer and God I guess I wasn't too far from the mark. Cavil's argument against everything Ellen said was so closely related to Milton's epic poem that I was struck by its relevence to biblical writings. The Cain and Abel scenario does fit, but Cavil seems more like Lucifer in his jealousy and envy, the two emotions that lead to all the bad things in life.

I guess Moore has studied his Bible and bilbical writings.
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and just to make things even more interesting....

I was reading an article today about last nights episode and in it someone mentioned the details of the music tape that Kara was so excited to get back from Helo. (speaking of which, I thought Starbuck was rather rude to the poor guy. He tells her that he spent weeks tracking down all her stuff and in some cases had to buy it back and all she does is take the tape without even a thank you and tells him forget the rest she doesn't care. OUCH! )

So anyway, people who are way smarter than me and catch things that I never do pointed out that the label on the tape said:

"Dreilide Thrace: Live from the Helice Opera House."

All of Roslin's visions of Hera take place in an Opera house. Could it be this opera house or do you think it's just a coincidence?

*sheesh!* I'm starting to feel like I'm watching an episode of Lost!!


P.S. - what the heck kind of name is Dreilide?!?

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Helice ~~ Helo?
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I didn't post anything after last week's show because my Tivo for some reason didn't record the lst 10 minutes of the show. Even though I had someone tell me what happened, I wanted to see it for myself, and the internet powers that be decide to pick that week to delay putting the shows up on the net.

Anyway, big bummer about Tigh and Caprica's kid, and now an even bigger bummer about Boomer taking off with Hera. It almost seems as though Boomer was allowed to "escape" with Ellen as a means to get her hands on Hera; a trade of some sorts. I'm sure Cavil would have better luck manipulating Hera than fighting a losing battle with Ellen. All in all, this seemed like kind of a slow moving episode to me, with is disappointing seeing there's only three left now. I guess they could have one slam-bam type of episode like the one when they were on Earth to finish it off.

Finally on to Starbuck. I honestly don't know what to think anymore. I thought maybe she was a Cylon, then I thought she was some hybrid Cylon - Human of her own right. Now she could be seeing things or not. I'm totally confused, and I don't mind that at all. It's part of the fun for me watching to see how it all fits together.
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What's in a name?

Take "Cavil" for example.

I found the word in "Common Sense" as I reread that today.

Looking it up, I found the following:

raise trivial objections

Take Cavil's objection to the name John. Is that trivial? I wonder about his other arguments . . . grievances .. . .

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and so...

I do not know what to think about this episode.

No one cares that Starbuck is a ghost?? Sam is now becoming a Hybrid and maybe could heal (theoretically) the Galactica? But now the Galactica will be abandoned and used for spare parts?

How many episodes left? I see a entire season worth of events built into last night's episode.


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Episode 1 of 10 aired 1/16 23rd 30th 2/6 13th 20th 27th 3/6

that's 8 eps

2 to go . . .

Yep, they can go almost anywhere here . . .
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I'm with you Kerra. I'm not really sure what to make of it. Don't get me wrong, I loved it. It was a great episode with lots of stuff to think about. But they sure did throw quite a few things at us and I'm not sure what to think of the Sam/hybrid thing.

As for the Kerra ghost thing, I think half the people think Baltar is full of BS and don't care what he says and the other half well, they probably need time to digest it. Maybe she should have someone else test the blood. Face it, she is asking help from a man who has had an imaginary woman running around in his head for the past 5 years.

I loved Roslin tokin' up in the infirmary. LOL! I know she is dying but I really don't want to see her go. It will tear me up! After all she has been through and all she has done to insure humanity survives I really want her to be there at the end. Just end the show with her still alive please....let her die off camera and live forever in my imagination.
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I loved Roslin tokin' up in the infirmary. LOL! I know she is dying but I really don't want to see her go. It will tear me up! After all she has been through and all she has done to insure humanity survives I really want her to be there at the end. Just end the show with her still alive please....let her die off camera and live forever in my imagination.

When my father was dying of cancer he would send his friends (those who would take the risk) out to find him weed to smoke. Roslin's scene reminded me of my Dad.

I am with you on hoping that we do not have to attend Roslin's funeral just to get to the end of the show. Her character has been the most human, in my opinion, and it would be a tragedy of Shakespearean proportions if they (the writers) kill her before they find a permanent home.

I also love the way in which Adama has settled right into his life with Roslin. He knows her predictiment, and yet he is her rock. It is nice to see on this show a couple acting mature enough to take life's detours as they come (and I am not saying Adama is acting rationally in other parts of his life, just in his relationship to Roslin).
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I can't imagine there being a good movie without her. But who knows. Maybe the writers have something surprising up their sleves that the viewers haven't thought of :unsure:
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SciFi Channel began running a commercial for the "last" BSG special which will air beginning Monday night.

We all know if you miss it the first time it will be rerun a zillion times.

And I don't know about any of the rest of you but after I saw that commercial I began thinking... the end of BSG signifies a very real end to an era in which our favorite shows brought us to the television, to the Internet and to become friends.

Stargate, Atlantis, and BSG signaled an era of scifi television that is unlikely to ever repeat. As we watched these magnificent scifi adventures the scifi channel also ran our favorite Star Trek series and spliced in other great scifi and fantasy shows like X-Files, Lexx, and even Babylon 5.

Those were the good old days of scifi and the end of Battlestar Galactica brings to a close an era I shall cherish always in my memories and in my heart.

Here is a lovely poem I found: enjoy.
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LONELY SPACE

Here we are, a small fleet of survivors
Fleeing through space, we're fugitives with scars
Trying to survive
Keeping hopes alive
As we all patiently trek through the stars

We are searching for the lost colony
While fleeing from the Cylon tyranny
With luck by our side
And blessings in stride
We pray that it'll be a safe journey

It's not easy trekking through lonely space
With Cylons wanting to destroy our race
We are not perfect
We are imperfect
We are human, and we have earned our place


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Sorry folks, I've been kinda lazy as of late, but I have been watching the show. I'm excited about the series finale this Friday and I'm happy to know that we'll finally be getting some answers like who or what is Kara Thrace and why do the Cylons revolve around an old Bob Dylan song. I've enjoyed the past few weeks, but the show seems to have slowed down a bit leading into the finale. I guess I was hoping that things were further along than they are now, but I'm guessing it'll all make sense Friday.
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Tonight begins then end for Battlestar Galactica. :( The "Last Frakking Special" airs at 10pm, but then I suppose that already happened in most of your households by now.

Just remember... Just because you missed it once on Scifi doesn't mean they won't rerun it until the sun turns into a red giant. :rolleyes:


oops... I typed in 9pm and its on at 10pm. :blink:
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Remember this picture? Remember all the questions? I do not think Ron Moore does.

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Battlesta Galactica Finale tonight!

Two hour finale begins at 9pm. I would urge you, if you are interested and are to make tonight a BSG night, to watch the special that airs before hand. Its nice to hear the actors finally make remarks about the show without any restraints or censorship.

And, if you want to make a day of it... BSG is running all day long (for those of us who are not working).
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http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/TV/03/20/b....end/index.html

Battlestar Galactica' to air final episode

(CNN) -- "Battlestar Galactica," the TV series that has held up a mirror to post-9/11 politics and paranoia for the past four seasons, comes to an end Friday.

The show's legions of fans may be in mourning, but executive producer David Eick finds the looming finale bittersweet.

"It's a combination of deep sadness and a little bit of relief," he told CNN by phone from Los Angeles.

Eick and his producing partner Ronald D. Moore revived -- or, as they like to say, "reimagined" -- a campy late-1970s space opera about a ragtag group of survivors from an attack that wiped out most of humanity, making it a gritty, tense, and morally ambiguous drama.

Echoes of the traumas that shaped contemporary America are inescapable, from a shot in opening credits that looks like Manhattan before the attacks of September 11, 2001, to questions about curtailing civil liberties in wartime.

Eick says the show is a reflection of its times.

The show "went into development very shortly after the attacks -- December of 2001. Not only were we post-9/11, but the wounds were so extremely fresh, there was still a great deal of shock," he said.

Some of the imagery and themes of the show derived directly from the attacks, he said, such as a "wall of grief" where people place pictures of dead comrades.

The show's central conflict has a religious dimension: The show's villains, the mechanical yet human-looking Cylons, believe in one god; the humans believe in many.

"The antagonists are motivated by a belief that they are operating with the blessing, the permission of an all-powerful god. To the extent that religion and spiritual beliefs were chief motivations for the antagonists, that had resonance with al Qaeda," Eick said.

But, he said, the writers fought to keep the show from becoming morally simplistic.

"Sci-fi has always been a safe haven because we're not talking about al Qaeda, we're talking about the Cylons," he said.

"We went to great lengths to try to see things from the opponents' point of view, to make the audience ask if they are rooting for the right side," he said. In fact, the Cylons become increasingly complicated characters as the series goes on, ultimately warring among themselves -- as do the humans.

"The intention of 'Battlestar Galactica' was to present flawed heroes, who fought among themselves as much as the enemy," Eick said. "We are drawn to heroes who succeed in spite of themselves."

"Growing discontent with the [Bush] administration allowed us to deepen many of those flaws in those characters," he said, even as he denied the show was designed to reflect the headlines.

"Rarely do I recall saying: 'Let's do Abu Ghraib,' " said Eick, referring to the notorious prison in Iraq. The series does include an interrogation episode with a clear reference to waterboarding.

The show drew consistent praise from the critics, but never attracted huge audiences from its home on the Sci-Fi channel, a cable network. Nielsen figures suggest the miniseries that launched the show drew about 4 million viewers, but audiences dipped to about half that in the third season before rebounding slightly as the fourth and final season began last year.

Eick said he did not watch the original "Battlestar Galactica" series, which ran from 1978 to 1980 -- another gloomy era in America.

But he knew he did not want his protagonist to be like the hero of that show, even if they shared the same name.

"In the original incarnation, the main character of Adama was the picture of perfection, a military genius and a family man and a diplomat and a great orator, and and and... We were in an age where it didn't seem plausible that one person could have all the answers," he said.

"The world didn't need another moralizing space opera," he said, drawing a specific contrast with the much more successful "Star Trek" franchise, or, as he called it "escapist 'Star Trek'-ian action-adventure."

"The virtue of 'Star Trek' is that is does present a problem -- a moral crisis that its main characters ultimately solve or answer in a way that is intended to be a model for the audience," Eick said. "They come away feeling better about themselves."

That has never been "Battlestar Galactica's" intention, he said.

"To the show's good fortune, the audience was in need of a vehicle for its angst and its paranoia," said Eick, who said that as a viewer, he "was much more seduced" by darker stories that "felt like a reflection of reality."

The walls of his home, he said, are adorned with posters from just such dark films: "Jaws," "Taxi Driver," "The Exorcist," "Lenny" and "Manhattan." (He also likes the lighter fare of "The Blues Brothers." )

"For some people, there's something very cathartic about watching nihilistic drama," he said. "There is a relief associated with it.

"We often hear that what audiences want in troubled times is escapism and comfort food. I think it's the opposite. They want a way to feel their reality reflected back at them."



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"La La La La La La La..."

I'm not listing, I'm not listening.


Ok, so I am sooooooo mad right now. I ment to tape last weeks episode but my stupid VCR didn't automatically change the time to DST like it is suppose to. (it did it before, I swear!!) So everything taped an hour late and I missed the episode.

Grrrrrrrrrr!!! :angry:

That's why I haven't chimed in yet and I'm not reading any of your replies now because I don't want to spoil it.

The good news is they are replaying episodes today before the finale airs tonight so I will be able to catch up. I promise to come back and post all my thoughts then. I CAN"T WAIT!!!
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WOW.

Ok, there is a lot for me to digest right now and of course I'm still bawling like a baby over Roslin....

But I just wanted to say right now, as it just ended....I'm happy with it.
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Critic’s Corner, USA Today
by Robert Bianco

A number of shows hit season or series finales this weekend, starting tonight with SciFi’s well-regarded Battlestar Galactica. The show was probably too dark and complicated for mass consumption, but it was true to itself and its universe, and the very qualities that turned away most viewers helped it win a wildly devoted cult. So my condolences to those who will miss Battlestar, and here’s hoping you find an acceptable substitute soon.

I hope all you BSG fans enjoyed tonights finale. From the sound of Geo's post she was very satisfied. I hope the rest of you find it as enjoyable.

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I too am satisfied. It ended the exact way I thought, and above all, hoped it would. Really, logically, how else could it have ended and made any sense at all?

Hera... true to her name. I love it.


The only other thing I want to say before others watch it is... I shed many tears, bittersweet, but mostly happy tears during the appropriate scene.



*And now its time for me to lament the passing of a significant era in my life. Things must change and children grow older, even our shows have a life span. Scifi Fridays will never, ever be the same. :mellow:
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Kerra,Mar 21 2009
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the end of BSG signifies a very real end to an era in which our favorite shows brought us to the television, to the Internet and to become friends...

Stargate, Atlantis, and BSG signaled an era of scifi television that is unlikely to ever repeat. Those were the good old days of scifi




So very true. Sure there will be other shows that catch our attention, but I do not think we will see anything that rivals these great shows. They made us think, argue, laugh, cry and above all they helped create bonds of friendship between us.
I shed many a tear last night and more than a few were for the loss of SciFi Friday.

As for the show itself...

There may be one or two things I could pick on but over all I am really happy with how things ended. They touched on every storyline and they gave us as happy an ending as was possible under the circumstances.

I think Roslin's death was perfect. I know I mentioned before that I hoped we wouldn't see her die on screen but part of that was because I thought she would die before they reached the end. I figured she would die on the ship and there would be a very sad scene and then poof she would disappear from the story. But I should have trusted the writers who gave us such a wonderfully strong and complex character in the first place to do her justice in the end. She SAW Earth. She saw her people safe and free. And even after her death (such a beautiful and heartwrenching scene) she was still a presence on the show. And yes.....she finally got her cabin.

So Starbuck was an angel who delivered her people unto the promise land. I'm ok with that. If they had come out and told us that earlier in the season, If we had known from the moment she returned, I don't think I would have liked it. But to keep it a mystery, even from the character herself, seemed to work. And honestly, I couldn't imagine her and Lee settling down together and living happily ever after. That is not Starbuck.

The end scene was a bit of a surprise but I think it worked. And I have to admit when they started showing pictures of all those robots I was getting a little freaked out.

This has all happened before.....and it will all happen again.
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OK. Let the dissertations begin.

Lotsa cool f/x. Saw a few old-model centurions fighting alongside the new ones.

Great gun battle exterior shots. Cylon "colony" looked a lot like a Shadow ship to me. Maybe I'm a little biased.

Best f/x shot was the final jump of the Galactica. The image and "sounds" of it writhing in agony after the final jump to the "real" Earth was very well done.

I'll hafta watch this part again, but the final parting shots of the RTF flying into the sun while the OS music plays in the background seemed fitting.

Right before that when Adama's fighter launched, is it my imagination or was that the Earthship Ark (from Starlost) he saw before he swung around for a final pass over the Galactica? I'll hafta look that up. BSG was produced in Canada and Starlost was the first real attempt at a Canadian science fiction show.
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So much one could say...

Angels among us: So many people believe this, and within the mythology of angels is the idea that some are on missions and they do not know they are angels. Starbuck's mystery fits within our myths. *Oh and I'm with Geo, a pairing of Kara Thrace and Lee Adama would never work (too bad Dee didn't stick around for the real ending... but that is the point of against suicide; a person can never see the end of the story so why not hang around until the end?).

Galen... Gaelen... Gaelic???? I do love the way his story ends. It was right for him to break that b*$ch Tory's neck. I never trusted her from the first scene I saw her in way back years ago.

Thank the gods that Helo lived!!! Of all the things that happened it was the question of his death on the Cylon colony ship that really crushed me. I always believed in their love story (Helo and Athena). I believe in family and the love generated by a family and they are the perfect ending to the struggles between Cylons and Humans.

I am with Amos: cool to see the old style Centurions fighting along side their updated brothers. Also cool, that the sentient Centurions were finally given their freedom. They certainly deserved it.

Adama and Roslyn... Oh thank goodness they had their quiet ending. Roslyn lives on and Adama can now write his memiors, of which, some of the oldest written memiors have been found in that part of the world.

Now... to compare?? There is no comparison. As Moore quite rightly has pointed out Battlestar Galactica was written in a different time and place in our human history. Many things changed after the terrorist attack of 9/11. Still...

If he had had an orginal 5 year arc as did the story of Babylon 5 then the story of BSG may have held together better in the weaker moments of other seasons.

Has anyone ever noticed how these shows use a lot of acronyms: BSG, B5, SG1?
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Kerra,Mar 21 2009
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...Also cool, that the sentient Centurions were finally given their freedom. They certainly deserved it.

I dunno. I think maybe the one guy was right to point out that maybe turning loose a bunch of killer robots (even if they were our allies) with a heavily armed starship might not be the best idea. 'Course that begs the question, what to do with 'em if you didn't allow them on their way? Which begs another question. Could ya have stopped them if ya wanted 'em to stay?

Same guy was also right to point out that giving up on technology might be a questionable thing to do as well. I know I certainly wouldn't want to give up technology altogether.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not quibbling with the ending as written. It did "fit" with both the old and new series and was certainly intended to be more emotionally evocative than reasonable. I can forgive that. After all, even in B5 when they blew up the station because it was a "navigational hazard" that made little sense because of all the flying debris would've certainly been a bigger menace to navigation than a single large object. Just like with last night's finale it was intended to give "closure." It was meant to be a happy ending for all.
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MadAmosMalone,Mar 21 2009
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Kerra,Mar 21 2009
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...Also cool, that the sentient Centurions were finally given their freedom. They certainly deserved it.

I dunno. I think maybe the one guy was right to point out that maybe turning loose a bunch of killer robots (even if they were our allies) with a heavily armed starship might not be the best idea. 'Course that begs the question, what to do with 'em if you didn't allow them on their way? Which begs another question. Could ya have stopped them if ya wanted 'em to stay?


Of course the idea of "killer" robots jumping around space willy-nilly, at their leisure, is a scary thought... but it also leaves an opening for a "present-earth" Cylon invasion series if the guys at Scifi need another scifi series (with exceptional ratings potential) to produce.

I, personally, love the idea of those Centurions flying around out there somewhere in space. That scary, even terror-feeling, is good. Keeps me wondering in a creative sort of way. :D

As for the end being too sentimental, yes, I agree, but for the sake of closure, as you so rightly point out Amos, it was the right thing to do.

But I must also point this out... Tigh and Ellen's ending was not sentimental. It really fit their arc, as did Galen's ending arc.

So... I am not going over to the the "top best scifi series ending" thread to post the BSG belongs there, not yet, but, it was pretty good considering those that we have seen in recent memory.
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