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| BSG Final Season; This is it folks! | |
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| MadAmosMalone | Mar 21 2009, 01:41 PM Post #101 |
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RIP Doomsday and Melody
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It may shock you all to know that I actually DID like the very ending with the "head" six and Baltar skulking about NYC (complete with Ron Moore cameo) in present day. Then with the news feature about advances in robotics made me think maybe we humans have some misplaced priorities. Instead of devoting so much to the development of "artificial life" we should be devoting ourselves to the life we already have. |
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| jdono | Mar 21 2009, 03:51 PM Post #102 |
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I wish I'd had the time to chime in on this before all the ideas I had to write down were all addressed. With that said, I couldn't agree with you all more that in that I too was left with a satisfied feeling at the end. One thing that I didn't coming ( okay, one of many ) was Cavil offing himself after the chaos had resumed with the fighting in the CIC. That one just came out of nowhere when he finally seemed to be softening up a bit, only to be led to believe he had been betrayed and that there was no hope for "his people". Aside from that, I think everything ended nicely. So Starbuck was an angel or something like that, and has been from the start. I thought she may have been after she blew up, but the scene with the pigeon at the end with Lee pretty much confirmed it for me. What confuses me still is she had parents. Was she really a person up to the point where she blew up and somehow her ship was transported to Earth? If she was an angel, did she go back in time and assume the pigeon role as a way to check in with Lee? That whole aspect still confuses me. This has all happened before and it will happen again. I guess they are going by the premise that Earth is really old and that the cycle of humans is pretty long. This is how I understand the timeline, as it were... Humans originally came from the 12 colonies and settled on Earth. The final five were born - created there during a great technological era. A war broke out and they managed to get away and head back to the colonies to warn them not to do the same stuff, but of course it did anyway. We pick up with the people we knew from the show 10,000 years after the war on Earth and follow their journey. I'm guessing that when Starbuck punched in the magic jump coordinates, that they went back in time long before Earth was nuked. 150,000 years later, we are at present day. Maybe this was the "gods" giving humanity a chance to do a restart. The Earth that the final five would come from would be in a different timeline than our own. I think I just confused myself. I think last night we saw the end of a great show. I'm not sure how the other two BSG shows are gonna fare, but they sure have one heck of a measuring stick to go up against. |
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| MadAmosMalone | Mar 21 2009, 04:10 PM Post #103 |
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RIP Doomsday and Melody
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I don't think there was any time travel element in it other than the skipping around with the flashbacks. I think the idea of Starbuck being an angel was only posthumously. As you point out, though, there is some ambiguity about that. Nothing wrong with a little ambiguity. It's good to keep guessing sometimes. :) |
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| Anakar | Mar 21 2009, 06:54 PM Post #104 |
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Twilight Zone Tour Guide
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The ending of the show was pretty much perfect. I loved the way they played in bits and pieces of other shows. I was most struck by the scene of the ships heading toward the sun to the strains of the original BSG theme. And I agree with Amos about the colony ship. My first thought when they were looking at the recon pictures was of a Shadow ship. And then when it was blowing up, I again thought of the Shadow ships. |
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| DennisXIVVVIII | Mar 21 2009, 08:07 PM Post #105 |
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Command Staff
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I liked the ending. Nice to save Six and Gaius seeing their invisible twins at the same time for the end. WHole new twist to everything. I mean, Six and Gaius STARTED the war together and were there together through the whole thing. Gaius returning to his agrarian roots - shades of Oedipus Rex - you have to kill your father! Now that you think of the Sentient Cylon Centurions (triple alliteration!!!!) traveling at will in space (Could these Cylons intervene helpfully at some point in the new human endeavor?), think of it - BSG presented no other alien race. Stark contrast with SG1, B5, Trek, etc. Except - wasn't it Patrick McKnee who played the God-like creature in BSG:TOS? Gaius and Six could be his "equal" in the new series. Could they represent an ascendant/ascended branch of humanity? I'm told that a LOT of BSG:TOS strongly resembled Mormon pantheology . . . This from a guy who worked in Utah in the late 1970's . . . |
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| MadAmosMalone | Mar 22 2009, 02:42 PM Post #106 |
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RIP Doomsday and Melody
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I wonder if Cavill hadn't eaten a bullet if he could've been trusted to keep his word about abandoning pursuit of the RTF from then on. Just a gut feeling but I'd guess "no." |
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| geogirl | Mar 22 2009, 03:02 PM Post #107 |
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Brown Coat Forever!!!
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I definately think Starbuck was human, just as Gaius Baltar was human. But both were part of God's plan and I guess when you are on a mission for the big guy(or girl) a silly little thing like death doesn't get in the way. I don't think Starbuck was really an "angel" until after her mission to earth where she died. She was allowed to come back as .....something, some kind of being so that she could complete the mission. And I also loved the original BSG music playing as the ships sailed towards the sun. |
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| geogirl | Mar 22 2009, 03:28 PM Post #108 |
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Brown Coat Forever!!!
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Please pardon the double post but I did some research and I came across this from a Ron Moore Interview on TVGuide.com: TVGuide.com: What exactly is Kara at the end of the series? An angel? Moore: I think Kara remains an ambiguous figure. Kara lived a mortal life, died and was resurrected to get them to their final destiny. Clearly she was a key player in the events that led to [the fleet's] finding a home. And, I don't know if there's any more to it beyond that. I think you could call her an angel, you could call her a demon, the second coming or the first coming, I guess, chronologically speaking. You can say that she had a certain messiah-like quality, in the classic resurrection story. There's a lot of different ways you can look at it, but the more we talked about it, the more we realized there was more in the ambiguity and mystery of it than there was in trying to give it more definition in the end. TVGuide.com: So she is completely different than the hallucination/visions of Baltar and Six? Moore: Yes, Kara was physically among us. Everybody saw her. She was tactile, she flew a viper, she was around. She was with us. And yet, there was a body that died on the original Earth, and Baltar did the DNA analysis and it was her body, so she was literally brought back from the dead by something — by some higher power or other power, and she came back to serve a function. It's a good article. If you want to read the rest you can find it here: Link |
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| MadAmosMalone | Mar 22 2009, 03:31 PM Post #109 |
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RIP Doomsday and Melody
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Always sorta suspected that was the missing element not co-opted from the original series, that "ship of lights" thingie with Count Iblis or whatever it was. |
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| Kerra | Mar 22 2009, 05:05 PM Post #110 |
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20 Years Strong
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I can buy into the Kara Thrace afterlife thing... but it gives me a real sad feeling that Ron Moore doesn't know and understand his characters better. JMS loved his characters and it showed in their arc. Roddenberry loved his characters and it showed in their arc. But the new BSG characters seem to be an after thought to Moore, more like, yeah hey, I sold the series now what do we do with it? He is not a genius creator that is certain. But still, I can be ok with the ending. Another thing that bothers me: they had a real chance to play with the mythologies of our world and they chose not to do anything. That shows to me either they were bored with the show or they just didn't love it enough. |
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| nannyjo | Mar 22 2009, 08:36 PM Post #111 |
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Optimist Prime
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/eonline/20090322/e...IiLXIg3p5NxFb8C Battlestar's Ratings Blowout Los Angeles (E! Online) – Goodbye, Farewell, Ka-Ching! Friday's Battlestar Galactica two-hour series finale scored an estimated 2.4 million viewers—the show's biggest audience in more than three years, Sci Fi Channel said today. Compared to Battlestar's third-season finale 100 years ago—well, March 2007—its fourth and final finale was up a whopping 56 percent. So, Was Battlestar the Biggest Sci-Fi Friday Show Around? No. For one thing, Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronciles was bigger (3.7 million, per Nielsen stats as reported by MediaWeek), and for another thing so was Dollhouse (4.1 million). Terminator was up a little from its performance last week; Dollhouse was about even. |
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| geogirl | Mar 23 2009, 03:33 AM Post #112 |
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Brown Coat Forever!!!
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Ha Ha Ha!! Glad to see we weren't the only ones frustrated over the crazy scheduling!! I wonder if Fox is aware that Terminator and Dollhouse beat out SciFi's darling show? That could help when it comes down to their decision to save the shows or not. Kerra, I think Ron Moore does love the characters he's created...the problem is he doesn't put any planning into the story and then ends up having to scramble around at the last minute to make things fit. JMS he's not by any means!! With all the goodbyes mentioned I can't believe nobody brought up my favorite goodbye scene. The one between Coddle and Roslin. It also had the best line of the night! Coddle: I don't know what to say. Roslin: Don't say anything. It'll ruin your reputation. Just grumble, light a cigarette and walk away. |
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| Kerra | Mar 23 2009, 08:50 AM Post #113 |
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20 Years Strong
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Maybe you're right Geo... Ron might love his characters but he has a very "Central Valley California" way of treating them (Ron's from a little place called Chowchilla, 40 miles north of here). And again Geo.. You chose the right line. It was the best goodbye ever. |
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| geogirl | Mar 23 2009, 04:28 PM Post #114 |
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Brown Coat Forever!!!
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Still had it on tape so I rewound and found it: Roslin: Thank you doctor Coddle: I'm just doing my job. Roslin: No. You've done much more than that. You've taken a patient who should have died years ago and you've given her a chance despite cancer and the cylons and her own obstinant nature. YOu've given me the little time I have left and for that you have my heart felt gratitude...and my thanks. Coddle: Well, uh...I don't know what to say. Roslin: No don't. Don't spoil your image. Just light a cigarette and go and grumble. (awww...sniff) And my second favorite quote of the night: (Karra and Athena facing down Boomer) Karra: Can we NOT tell her the plan! Ha Ha Ha!! I loved it! |
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| DennisXIVVVIII | Mar 28 2009, 08:01 PM Post #115 |
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Command Staff
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I'm thinking about the "Opera House" visions. It brings to mind ST:TNG Cause and Effect. Data keeps seeing 3's everywhere but does not know what it means until the very moment arrives when he must act. Rosalin, Six, Athena, and Gaius do not know where they're going until they get there. This is all the more interesting when you know who Six and Gaius seem to be . . . |
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| MadAmosMalone | Mar 28 2009, 08:20 PM Post #116 |
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RIP Doomsday and Melody
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Well Ron Moore was working on TNG during the time that ep was aired IIRC. |
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| Kerra | Mar 28 2009, 08:59 PM Post #117 |
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20 Years Strong
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Still, it is a good connection. Our shows all do seem to have commonalities. I was given season 3 of the X-files and as I watch it the thing that strikes me the most is the actors who went on to become occaisional actors in Stargate. But the end of BSG makes sense when you connect it to episodes of STNG that Moore worked on because you get a glimpse of the man's mind (of which I am not that impressed with). Oops, forgot to add how much I like that particular STNG show. Its an intriguing thought to think that when you have a moment of deja vu that perhaps you are stuck in a causality wave. :blink: |
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| MadAmosMalone | Mar 28 2009, 09:53 PM Post #118 |
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RIP Doomsday and Melody
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Kinda like when we saw "Genesis II" or "Earth: Final Conflict" or "Andromeda" all form the mind of Gene Roddenberry. Probably not fair to mention those though since Roddenberry had little to do with any development of those shows. More fair might be JMS with "Jeremiah." I saw so many commonalities with B5 I definitely knew I was watching a JMS production. That was both good and bad though. Bad in that it'll be even tougher for JMS to convince any suits that he's more than a one-trick pony, but good in that it's a helluva trick. Still, though, Ron Moore went to college at Cornell and isn't ignorant or stupid in any way. My beef with him has always been lack of originality and a tendency to be more than a little insulting to the audience. But that's just MHO. :) |
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| geogirl | Mar 29 2009, 07:09 AM Post #119 |
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Brown Coat Forever!!!
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I think Ron Moore is very talented.....in some areas. Others, not so much. He creates these wonderful, complex and intriguing characters which display the best and worst of human nature all in one package. If you think about it, a lot of people on BSG did some very not nice things and yet, in the end, we were rooting for them because they were so very human. He is also good at creating the concept. The "idea" of the show. Where I think he fails is in the execution. He gets this great idea and then just starts to run with it before planning things out. Then, down the line he gets another idea and desides to change the story to fit. Even though the characters may be well thought out, the story is not and it shows. Sometimes it feels like he is piecemealing the story together at the last minute. There were times when it seemed like even the writers weren't exactly sure where they were suppose to go. |
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| nannyjo | Mar 31 2009, 11:34 AM Post #120 |
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Optimist Prime
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If this isn't easy to answer or the answer is long and involved, don't worry about it... but I thought I would give it a shot. I hadn't watched for many seasons and decided to tune in to see the end... SO... What was the "importance" of Hera - she was half human and half Cylon - I know that.... but everybody was after her and I can't figure out what she had to do with finding earth. I heard the "Mitochondrial Eve" part but... WHY... or how? What happened to all of the other survivor's offspring? Doesn't the "Eve" part imply that she is the ONLY reproducing female of the time? Too much to get into? |
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| geogirl | Mar 31 2009, 05:34 PM Post #121 |
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Brown Coat Forever!!!
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To be honest NJ....I have no idea. They never did explain why she was so important and as far as I can tell she had nothing to do with them finding Earth. The only importance she seemed to have was the fact that she *did* exist. She was proof that a cylon could have a child and proof that cylons and humans could...well, intermingle. She was a symbol. I got the feeling that she was suppose to be more important, that Ron Moore wanted her to be more important...but I just didn't see it. |
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| Kerra | Mar 31 2009, 06:07 PM Post #122 |
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20 Years Strong
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I think Geo is right... Moore ran out of steam. It seems when the net execs canceled BSG Moore stopped creating and relied on cliches and the wit of others to help end the show. If you watch the final special you can see how he is disconnected from the whole process. Hera should have been an intrinsic symbol of peace between the two races, but they left that up in the air. |
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| nannyjo | Apr 1 2009, 07:47 AM Post #123 |
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Optimist Prime
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Thanks. folks! I guess I didn't miss as much as I thought. I agree - when she first appeared, I could see that she was SUPPOSED to be important as a "blending" of the two races. I thought, perhaps, that was shown and resolved while I wasn't watching. |
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| DennisXIVVVIII | Apr 3 2009, 07:49 PM Post #124 |
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BSG:2005 & Earth: Final Conflict The ending of BSG:2005 makes me think of a James Taylor song - "Let it Fall Down" circa 1974. It also brings to mind a lyric from the song "2525". Tear it down And start again Then there's Rene' Palmer. At the end of E:FC, she just flew off into space with the remaining few (two or even one maybe?) Taylons . . . In a way, that's even more bleak than the ending to BSG:2005, which like the song "2525" at least wanted to try again. With Rene' Palmer, she just wants to go out with a bang . . . her own desolate journey to her death without offering any hope to humans - she just followed the Taylons . . . |
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| monty24llr | May 17 2010, 11:12 AM Post #125 |
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Starfighter Ace
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I finally got the DVDs and was able to see how BSG ended this weekend. It was a more satisfying ending than many series have been able to achieve. Sad and uplifting at the same time. I suppose it's a little late to chime in, but to answer the question of Herra's importance to finding Earth: she gave Kara the answers in her little dots drawing that turned out to be the notes of the song and the coordinates to Earth. I guess you could say she led the way literally and metaphorically. I've read all of your comments and have to agree that even though a conclusion was reached, it seemed rushed. I attribute that to the fact that the decision to end BSG was rushed. All in all, it seemed a bit contrived, but it struck a chord on a lot of emotional levels. My only disappointment was the poignancy in Apollo and Starbuck's inability to ever get the timing right, but I guess there had to be some bittersweetness. I did love seeing the Galactica sailing off into the sun with the other ships of the ragtag fleet. |
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