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| Topic Started: Jan 14 2017, 04:45 AM (442 Views) | |
| friendshipgal | Jan 14 2017, 04:45 AM Post #1 |
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/peel-board-muslim-prayer-policy-1.3930264 Protesters appeared carrying signs with anti-Islamic messages, which board trustees told them to put away. Two police officers took a woman outside after she began a racially-charged outburst. Global News reported on it but the signs were not anti Islamic, only anti religion in schools, so now apparently saying there is no place for religion inside a public school is anti Islamic. The female speaker is an ex Muslim. Speaking of religious accommodation, why are Ontario school boards allowing prayers in our secular schools, the Lord's Prayer was removed. |
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| yaya | Jan 14 2017, 07:02 AM Post #2 |
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Why are they indeed doing so? Canada is a wonderful country and immigrants years ago have helped make it the wonderful country it is today. Newcomers are welcome but don't try to change us to suit you. |
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| pooper | Jan 14 2017, 07:09 AM Post #3 |
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Sorta repeats on ya ya like beans...but I agree agree agree. Ya Ya Ya |
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| Kahu | Jan 14 2017, 11:15 AM Post #4 |
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Private and State Integrated Schools in NZ may include religious instruction in their curriculum ... but in State Schools attendance at these classes requires parental permission, and for technical reasons take place out of normal school hours. Education in Values is important for all children Religious instruction and observances in State primary schools Religious Instruction has no place in New Zealand public schools. Religious Instruction means teaching and endorsing a faith in its own right, for example the practice of Church volunteers ”leading children to a faith in Jesus”. There is a significant difference between religious instruction and religious studies. Religious Studies teaches a comparative overview of the major world religions, taken by qualified teachers in a neutral manner. New Zealand does not currently have this program. The Secular Education Network (SEN) has the primary goal of removing Religious Instruction from New Zealand state primary schools. Ultimately this will involve repeal of the New Zealand Education Act (1964) Section 78. While SEN is supportive of Comprehensive Religious Studies that includes non-religious viewpoints, this subject is more appropriate for high school. It is incidental to our core goal of inclusive primary schooling. Religious instruction in Schools |
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| Kahu | Jan 14 2017, 11:45 AM Post #5 |
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OPINION: "OK, that's enough talk about vaginas at the dinner table." Kids. They're naturally fascinated about their bodies, particularly any parts that society has, through the ages, assigned taboo or mystical value to. They're also very quick to want to know how babies are made. My kids are 5 and 7 and the questions on anything, and everything, never cease. Not even for dinner. And logic would suggest if they're old enough to ask the question, they're old enough to be provided some kind of answer that isn't hokum. Source Link |
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| imjene | Jan 14 2017, 12:35 PM Post #6 |
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I absolutely believe that schools should teach religious studies. Then, at least, it would help children understand the world around them a bit better and perhaps, gain a sense of tolerance. It might even help them gain a sense of values. But then I guess there would always be those who would not want their children exposed to different ways of thinking. I think this is why many chose to home school their children. My sister home schooled her children, but it was not for religious reason, but because her daughter was an exceptionally bright student, but was failing in school. Consequently, she went on to complete a university degree by the time she was 18. |
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| friendshipgal | Jan 14 2017, 12:47 PM Post #7 |
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Teaching religious studies in the appropriate class is fine, this is not what we are talking about. We are talking about school boards allowing Muslim prayers and sermons in our secular public schools while banning the Lord's Prayer. Prayers and sermons are not part of our curriculum, during which females are segregated... This is part of a co-ordinated campaign http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/muslims-demand-right-preach-public-schools-canada ETA: Muslims are wanting permanent prayer rooms in high schools... seriously, why are we even considering this... for any religion Edited to correct link: http://www.torontosun.com/2012/09/22/muslims-want-permanent-prayer-rooms-in-high-schools Edited by friendshipgal, Jan 15 2017, 02:26 AM.
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| Kahu | Jan 14 2017, 01:10 PM Post #8 |
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I tend to agree too, but remember, there is a difference between 'religious studies' and 'religious instruction'. Teaching 'Values' though is fraught with all sorts of problems, and the particular level of introducing, or reinforcing, any particular value has it's difficulties too. In my teaching experience, I introduced 'values' as and when I thought they were needed, even though they were not included in the official curriculum. My values are influenced by my Anglican (Episcopalian) upbringing. I remember in one year I had three Muslim girls and boys from Iraq and Pakistan, a couple of Buddhist boys from Nepal, and a couple from India, and Fijian Indians ... and a single Exclusive Brethren boy. I had more trouble in including the brethren boy in normal classroom activities than all the other ethnicities and beliefs put together. |
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| Kahu | Jan 14 2017, 01:24 PM Post #9 |
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State, state-integrated and private schools Most schools in New Zealand are owned and funded by the state. They teach the national curriculum and are secular (non-religious). There are 2 other types of schools - state-integrated and private. These are schools with a special character. They may have their own sets of aims and objectives to reflect their own particular values. They may teach a specific philosophy or religion. State-integrated schools are schools that were private and have become part of the state education system. They are funded by the government and teach the national curriculum. You will pay compulsory attendance dues. Private schools get some government funding but are mostly funded through charging parents school fees. They develop their own learning programmes and do not have to follow the national curriculum. Māori-medium education (Kura Kaupapa Māori) Kura Kaupapa Māori are schools that teach in Māori and education is based on Māori culture and values. They are owned and funded by the state, and they teach the national curriculum for Māori-medium schools, Te Marautanga o Aotearoa. Many kura are composite schools - they have both primary and secondary departments (they teach Years 1-13). |
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| David | Jan 14 2017, 01:52 PM Post #10 |
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That link is not working. |
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| Kahu | Jan 14 2017, 03:18 PM Post #11 |
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Al-Madinah School This is the unique school which offers students courses in Islamic subjects as well as complete coverage of the New Zealand Curriculum. The Islamic character fostered by the school provides an environment for students that supports and develops their knowledge and practice of Islam. Salaat is held daily, as well as Jumma Salaat on Fridays. The Islamic Festival are observed. Provisions are made for specialised study of the Holy Qur’an. The school runs special hifz classes for those who want to make their children hafiz of Qur’an. The school plays an active role in the local community through involvement in sports and cultural activities. Government takes over Islamic school The country's only co-educational Islamic school has been put under direct Government control amid concerns that its cultural environment is clashing with its education obligations. Al-Madinah School in Mangere, Manukau City, has been under fire for several years for prioritising religion at the expense of the curriculum and segregating staff and students according to gender. Successive Education Review Office reports have drawn attention to problems of "governance and segregation", and a limited statutory manager was installed in 2002. But the Ministry of Education has now drafted in Dennis Finn - the man who took over at troubled Cambridge High School last year - to haul the 360-student school into line. Melissa O'Carroll, the acting northern region manager for schools, said Mr Finn's appointment as commissioner was "to support the school and enable it to strengthen educational outcomes for all its students". The school has made concessions to the review office. It reversed a 2003 decision to cease education for girls beyond Year 8 and last year extended the length of the school day to accommodate prayer and lessons. Source Link Mangere Muslim school in money probe Exclusive - Complaints about spending of public funds sparks ministry review. The country's largest Muslim school is under investigation for the way it has spent public money after complaints were made to officials during a review. The probe into Al-Madinah school in Mangere comes after financial auditors raised concerns last year around the principal's frequent overseas trips, and about a lack of transparency between the finances of the school and its owner, the Islamic Education and Dawah Trust. Both the Ministry of Education and the Education Review Office are refusing to say exactly what is being investigated but the Herald understands it includes the handling of ministry money and an alleged rift between the board and the school. However, the school's principal, Asin Ali, says the school is confident it has done no wrong and is working to get to the bottom of the issues and ensure the complaints are resolved. Source Link |
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| Kahu | Jan 14 2017, 03:22 PM Post #12 |
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Try this one ... same story via our Secular Education Network. Local residents expressed their anger Tuesday night at a decision by a school board in a suburb of Toronto, Canada to reverse its policy on monitoring Muslim sermons. Last September, concerned about the potential for radical Islamic propaganda infiltrating religious meetings, the Peel Regional School Board had insisted that students read prayers and sermons from an approved text. The board’s decision to allow students to write their own sermons resulted in angry residents storming a public meeting held to discuss the policy change. Protestors were told to remove their signs because they were deemed anti-Muslim and one woman was taken outside by police after she interrupted the meeting with her objections. Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/11/board-to-allow-muslim-sermons-in-schools-and-protesters-arent-happy/#ixzz4VhNS4RuC NZ Secular Education Network |
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| Trotsky | Jan 14 2017, 03:57 PM Post #13 |
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Christians have been playing that card for 200 years. |
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| imjene | Jan 14 2017, 04:17 PM Post #14 |
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It's all very complicated if you try to accommodate various religions in a school system. Is there no way to keep it out of the schools entirely? Some may have to give up some of their traditions or need for formalized prayer during the school day, but surely there are enough after school hours for religious requirements by a given group, for prayer, studies, or whatever. Oh yes, I know that many say that if "these people" want to live in our country, then they must accept our way of doing things. However, I'm afraid we cannot go back in our rapidly changing world. We can balk at change, but change, it will. -- Yes, no easy answers. |
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| friendshipgal | Jan 15 2017, 02:24 AM Post #15 |
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corrected link: http://www.torontosun.com/2012/09/22/muslims-want-permanent-prayer-rooms-in-high-schools We cannot accommodate all religions in our secular schools system, although we do accommodate the R.C. s because of our constitution; that should be changed. I wouldn't have a problem with a formalized half hour or so for multi faith prayers, but where and how would they fit it in? It certainly is a changing world, just ask people in Europe, but is it the kind of change we want? We have the Saudis helping to fund private Islamic schools which is what happens when we allow separate religious schools. He's right, as demographics change so will the culture and religion. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2608738/catholic-leader-says-everyone-will-be-muslim-in-10-years-because-weak-church-no-longer-appeals-to-the-general-public/ |
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