Religious Accommodation in Public Schools

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Religious Accommodation in Public Schools
Topic Started: Jan 14 2017, 04:45 AM (445 Views)
friendshipgal	Jan 14 2017, 04:45 AM Post #1
Guess everyone wants their own Trudashians Posts: 12,815 Group: Member Member #241 Joined: February 12, 2006	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/peel-board-muslim-prayer-policy-1.3930264 Protesters appeared carrying signs with anti-Islamic messages, which board trustees told them to put away. Two police officers took a woman outside after she began a racially-charged outburst. Global News reported on it but the signs were not anti Islamic, only anti religion in schools, so now apparently saying there is no place for religion inside a public school is anti Islamic. The female speaker is an ex Muslim. Speaking of religious accommodation, why are Ontario school boards allowing prayers in our secular schools, the Lord's Prayer was removed.

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imjene	Jan 15 2017, 03:57 AM Post #16
Gold Star Member Posts: 3,960 Group: Member Member #745 Joined: April 4, 2010	I am sure it is not the kind of change that most people want. Likely, we cannot stop change, only learn how to manage it or control it.



haili	Jan 15 2017, 04:15 AM Post #17
Gold Star Member Posts: 7,083 Group: Member Member #387 Joined: September 15, 2006	I'm for one public school system and those who want religious education can have it after school hours or at home. If people want to pray at recess and lunch hour that's up to them but they should find their own space. Comparative religion could be taught in high school and there are university courses but where would public school teachers find the time and would they be unbiased?



angora	Jan 15 2017, 04:53 AM Post #18
WWS Book Club Coordinator Posts: 14,494 Group: Member Member #717 Joined: March 31, 2010	Childhood is the ideal time to bond with others. There are not so many issues and preconceived notions to contend with. I think, therefore, that religion should be kept out of our public schools. The children can learn facts and arts together without any added baggage. They can play and talk together during recess and breaks without the hindrance of the artificial difference that religion imposes. Religion can be learned and practiced out of school hours.



David	Jan 15 2017, 05:04 AM Post #19
Posts: 5,861 Group: Moderator Emeritus Member #12 Joined: June 30, 2005	angora Jan 15 2017, 04:53 AM Childhood is the ideal time to bond with others. There are not so many issues and preconceived notions to contend with. I think, therefore, that religion should be kept out of our public schools. The children can learn facts and arts together without any added baggage. They can play and talk together during recess and breaks without the hindrance of the artificial difference that religion imposes. Religion can be learned and practiced out of school hours. "the hindrance of the artificial difference that religion imposes" is a beautifully written line. I couldn't agree more.



Trotsky	Jan 15 2017, 05:07 AM Post #20
Big City Boy Posts: 38,319 Group: Member Member #79 Joined: September 8, 2005	U.S. has the right idea if not the right practice: COMPLETE separation of Church and State. Not a single penny of public money to be spent on superstition. But the Christers will not stop with the endless push to become a state religion. Roman Catholics are the worst offenders.



friendshipgal	Jan 15 2017, 05:53 AM Post #21
Guess everyone wants their own Trudashians Posts: 12,815 Group: Member Member #241 Joined: February 12, 2006	Canada doesn't actually have that in our Constitution, but it should be. This is what happens when people from a totally different anti western culture become so large in numbers they start demanding Sharia Law. In order to put a lid on any thing like this happening in Canada we need to stop the religious prayers in schools now... http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/743825/1000-Muslims-close-London-streets-chant-Allahu-Akbar-demand-Islamic-caliphate



pooper	Jan 15 2017, 07:08 AM Post #22
Rascal Emeritus Posts: 209 Group: Member Member #1,390 Joined: December 24, 2016	Kahu Jan 14 2017, 01:10 PM imjene Jan 14 2017, 12:35 PM I absolutely believe that schools should teach religious studies. I tend to agree too, but remember, there is a difference between 'religious studies' and 'religious instruction'. Teaching 'Values' though is fraught with all sorts of problems, and the particular level of introducing, or reinforcing, any particular value has it's difficulties too. In my teaching experience, I introduced 'values' as and when I thought they were needed, even though they were not included in the official curriculum. My values are influenced by my Anglican (Episcopalian) upbringing. I remember in one year I had three Muslim girls and boys from Iraq and Pakistan, a couple of Buddhist boys from Nepal, and a couple from India, and Fijian Indians ... and a single Exclusive Brethren boy. I had more trouble in including the brethren boy in normal classroom activities than all the other ethnicities and beliefs put together. I think few are qualified to teach religion(s) and fewer still in so doing without any bias. Brief coverage of religious tenets only in schools. Religion belongs in the home and in the venue of worship. Who sets the course? Who determines the curriculum? ...........and above all, who determines if it is being taught in study or used a an opportunity to proselytize -evangelize? do insist that IF a school board allows one singular religious org. to use the school for studies they are by default endorsing that religion above others. No publicly funded school should be providing a public facility for religious schooling Edited by pooper, Jan 15 2017, 07:08 AM.



Durgan	Jan 15 2017, 08:03 AM Post #23
Veteran Member Posts: 13,273 Group: Gardening Guru Member #720 Joined: March 31, 2010	IN GOD WE TRUST?



imjene	Jan 15 2017, 08:22 AM Post #24
Gold Star Member Posts: 3,960 Group: Member Member #745 Joined: April 4, 2010	I think I should agree that someone trying to teach about all of the different religions, in schools, could be a big problem. Like Pooper said, it belongs in homes and places of public worship. There is probably no way to eliminate bias.



Durgan	Jan 15 2017, 11:05 AM Post #25
Veteran Member Posts: 13,273 Group: Gardening Guru Member #720 Joined: March 31, 2010	Religion should be viewed and read similar to Aesop's fables. Reality check.



Alli	Jan 15 2017, 12:39 PM Post #26
Mistress, House of Cats Posts: 4,732 Group: Member Member #711 Joined: March 30, 2010	Durgan Jan 15 2017, 11:05 AM Religion should be viewed and read similar to Aesop's fables. Reality check. Not everyone feels the same way about that. My religion to me is important however I am not going to impart my thoughts on anyone nor should they condemn me for my personal beliefs



Kahu	Jan 15 2017, 12:56 PM Post #27
Posts: 31,109 Group: Administration Member #150 Joined: December 14, 2005	The real sticking point in all this is the 'values' part of religion. The values which make society more of a family in everyday life that we can all be a part of. In a secular education system these values have been based on a defacto Judeo-Christian and it's the balance, but without emphasis on any particular religion. Is it the place of the teacher to educate children for normal everyday values, or leave that side of education to parents?



haili	Jan 15 2017, 01:18 PM Post #28
Gold Star Member Posts: 7,083 Group: Member Member #387 Joined: September 15, 2006	The school must have rules which could be called values eg. no bullying, name calling, and kids must talk to each other and teachers with respect. Do unto others is pretty well universal IMO.



Kahu	Jan 15 2017, 01:35 PM Post #29
Posts: 31,109 Group: Administration Member #150 Joined: December 14, 2005	haili Jan 15 2017, 01:18 PM The school must have rules which could be called values eg. no bullying, name calling, and kids must talk to each other and teachers with respect. Do unto others is pretty well universal IMO. That kind of thing is exactly what I mean, but it is very much the thin edge of the wedge!



Trotsky	Jan 16 2017, 01:20 AM Post #30
Big City Boy Posts: 38,319 Group: Member Member #79 Joined: September 8, 2005	Durgan Jan 15 2017, 08:03 AM IN GOD WE TRUST? That is an obscenity on its face that should be stricken from the currency. And I was in grade school when, after learning the Pledge of Allegiance (to the flag, not the country laugh123 ) when they added One nation, UNDER GOD, another obscenity. These two phrases are blatantly unconstitutional but it would take someone determined to get their case all the way to the Supreme Court AND THEN PROVE STANDING, and perhaps DAMAGES, and the court would have to be less than 67 Roman Catholic like it was last year, and somewhat liberal. Is it not amazing that, with Protestantism the prevailing religion in the United States, there is not a single Protestant on the Supreme Court? Judges place their bigoted religious tenets above the Constitution time and again. Edited by Trotsky, Jan 16 2017, 01:20 AM.



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