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| An Embarassing round table discussion! | |
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| Topic Started: Feb 3 2017, 06:23 AM (419 Views) | |
| swing | Feb 3 2017, 06:23 AM Post #1 |
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After our gym time a group of us meet for coffee, over the ten years we've lost and gained some new people. There are only three men and probably six or seven women, all seniors. Yesterday morning the conversation arose re Trump's ban on refugees. This one fellow is "pro Trump" which is fine he's entitled to his opinion, however we have a lady in our group who is an East Indian Muslim! He rambles on how Muslims should not be allowed to take their prayer mats to the public schools how we should not cater to their customs, etc. I was very embarassed, as were several others. I said who cares what religion people are or if they are black, white, yellow or purple, as long as they are good people! I then said to this fellow, can I see your neck, yes it looks very RED! This East Indian lady then mentioned her best friend is an Italian lady who is in her 80's. This lady's neighbour commented you associate with her, she's a Muslim you know. People have to become educated and realize not all Muslims are terrorists, there are good and bad in every race. i will now get down off my soap box. |
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| Durgan | Feb 3 2017, 06:30 AM Post #2 |
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No need to be rude in any case. |
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| wildie | Feb 3 2017, 08:02 AM Post #3 |
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I would say that the red neck should be called out on his views and if he continues, your group should all get up and go to another table. |
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| angora | Feb 3 2017, 09:28 AM Post #4 |
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I really dont know what that would accomplish, wildie. He can learn to keep quite about his views but he's just as entitled to them as anyone else is. What seems to be happening is that Trump has made it acceptable to be a boor in public places when usually that is kept for your 'loved ones' at home. I think what is best to do is to 'rise above it' as I used to tell my kids. :) |
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| Olive Oil | Feb 3 2017, 10:05 AM Post #5 |
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Good for you, Swing for taking a stand. 023 038 Bigotry and hatred thrive when people lack the courage to stand up to bullies and boors. |
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| wildie | Feb 3 2017, 10:43 AM Post #6 |
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Judy, what I suggested is basically a 'shunning' which has been used since time immemorial. To my mind, if everybody sits there and accepts his perverted views they are signaling agreement with these views. |
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| Alli | Feb 3 2017, 11:24 AM Post #7 |
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Yes he is entitled to his opinions as are the others who stand up and for those being persecuted. We can't lose our humanity just ignore what's going on. 6 People were massacred while they were praying. We can't allow to make this behaviour the norm.. |
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| swing | Feb 3 2017, 12:12 PM Post #8 |
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Good for you, Swing for taking a stand. 023 038 Bigotry and hatred thrive when people lack the courage to stand up to bullies and boors. Many just sit there mute, which of course is not my style wrongly or rightly! Last week I had to rise to the defence of the gays. This woman's common law husband is a "high end home painter". She commented how he'd painted this gay fellow's home twice and felt somewhat uncomfortable. ( I felt like saying but he invoiced him right)? I was seething, I said you'll have to pardon me, but these comments make me livid. It's not a choice, people are born as such. I felt badly after, that I'd come across so harshly but damn it all, quit living in your bubble! Her live in of 35 years is European, lives in a million $$ home and drives high end cars! I guess this gives him the right to judge! The former bigot emigrated from S. Africa in 1994, it could be racism has been ingrained since childhood. Edited by swing, Feb 3 2017, 12:14 PM.
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| angora | Feb 3 2017, 09:08 PM Post #9 |
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I think if you can present your ideas and ideals in a rational non- judgmental way it is important that you do so however, if it develops into nastiness and name calling as it so often does, I dont think anything is accomplished. No one is any wiser and nothing has been accomplished. |
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| Trotsky | Feb 4 2017, 02:49 AM Post #10 |
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Most eye opening and perhaps most BRAVE statement of Muslim rights and tolerance came on 42nd Street at the corner of the Port Authority bus terminal (always massive crowds.) A cop unrolled his prayer mat on the sidewalk, put on his beanie, and knelt to his evening prayers. People LOOKED but moved on. Edited by Trotsky, Feb 5 2017, 04:37 AM.
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| swing | Feb 6 2017, 07:31 AM Post #11 |
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A cop unrolled his prayer mat on the sidewalk, put on his beanie, and knelt to his evening prayers. People LOOKED but moved on. i had the same experience in the Bay a couple weeks ago. I was in the lady's dept when a woman unrolled her prayer mat on the floor among the racks of clothes. Apparently it was time for her afternoon prayer! |
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| imjene | Feb 6 2017, 08:35 AM Post #12 |
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Now, if we were convinced that prayer works, that is not a bad idea! |
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| blizzard | Feb 6 2017, 08:45 AM Post #13 |
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After my mini-rant about allowing all people the right to follow whichever faith they choose, or not, I hope this does not sound like I am speaking against myself. I have no problem with people adhering to specific times or reasons to pray, at times I have been at restaurants where other patrons say prayers before the eat a meal. However, it is at a table I am not sharing and will therefore not trip over them. I wonder why the woman felt it was necessary to pray among the clothing racks. How would she know if she is facing Mecca? What if someone did trip over her? Then there is the importance, in many faiths, of ablutions before or during prayers. I do think discretion while in public is important, but that is most likely my upbringing. I do not have a solution, just something that popped into my mind. |
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| wildie | Feb 6 2017, 10:55 AM Post #14 |
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It didn't work too well for those fellows in the Quebec city mosque! signs081 |
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| Durgan | Feb 6 2017, 10:58 AM Post #15 |
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Shush. God works in mysterious ways. |
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