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Waiting for death
Topic Started: Feb 8 2017, 04:03 AM (1,198 Views)
Alli
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My cousin has been in Hospice now for 2 weeks. She has end stage Pancreatic Cancer She has a lovely room and surroundings.... Almost overnight her condition deteriorated. She is now incoherent, from Saturday to Sunday she has gone blind. She is just skin on bones.. We thought she would have passed but I believe she waited for her brother to arrive from Australia.For a family going through the last stages of life it has to be one of the most painful emotionally wrought experiences. I received an email from my sister this morning detailing her condition. I was in tears for a long time. You think back when you were children , the summers spent. Sampling Polish Cigarettes my uncle had stashed but we found... and smoked, were we ever sick! All these thoughts come pouring through your mind.. To see her suffering is unbearable, to see my aunt so distraught, if she could she would gladly trade places... If they could just give her a little extra....... she could close her eyes and sleep eternally..... It seems she may have only hours Her organs are shutting down..... I hope she has a Peaceful transition......
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goldengal
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Trotsky
Feb 17 2017, 03:05 AM
Incidence of cancer is increasing, I don't think anyone disputes that. Claimed lowering death rates is what the cancer industry is touting.
But survival is measured rather weirdly: as 5-year survival. This is both arbitrary and deceptive. By this standard, Pat's dear daughter Kim was counted as cured of the cancer she battled 5 years ago. Many cancers recur after the 5 year period from diagnosis but are not counted as treatment failures as perhaps they SHOULD be.

5-year survival




Trotsky ...... She was never considered cured but knew from the get go there were cancer cells floating in her body that would some day rear their ugly head and so they have but why so many places? I was not going to post any more about this but it upsets me to hear someone say it is a death sentence. Not so for everyone. It definitely was for my LH but gave my mother 7 additional years. Admittedly hers was not quality life but she did little to make it that way as have others I know.

As I often said in the Senate at York University when I truly did not have an answer "I am not truly qualified to speak to the issue."

However, I do feel there is likely non traditional treatment out there that should be offered without the affected having to travel to far away countries, but I think the pharmaceutical companies win on that one. JMHO.

Take care,
Pat
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I was not going to post any more about this but it upsets me to hear someone say it is a death sentence. Not so for everyone. It definitely was for my LH but gave my mother 7 additional years. Admittedly hers was not quality life but she did little to make it that way as have others I know.

I so agree, each individual reacts differently to chemo. My former next door neighbour had stage 3 breast cancer at age 68. She had chemo treatments which were successful and 10 years later is alive and well.
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goldengal
Feb 17 2017, 05:42 AM
Trotsky
Feb 17 2017, 03:05 AM
Incidence of cancer is increasing, I don't think anyone disputes that. Claimed lowering death rates is what the cancer industry is touting.
But survival is measured rather weirdly: as 5-year survival. This is both arbitrary and deceptive. By this standard, Pat's dear daughter Kim was counted as cured of the cancer she battled 5 years ago. Many cancers recur after the 5 year period from diagnosis but are not counted as treatment failures as perhaps they SHOULD be.

5-year survival




Trotsky ...... She was never considered cured but knew from the get go there were cancer cells floating in her body that would some day rear their ugly head and so they have but why so many places? I was not going to post any more about this but it upsets me to hear someone say it is a death sentence. Not so for everyone. It definitely was for my LH but gave my mother 7 additional years. Admittedly hers was not quality life but she did little to make it that way as have others I know.

As I often said in the Senate at York University when I truly did not have an answer "I am not truly qualified to speak to the issue."

However, I do feel there is likely non traditional treatment out there that should be offered without the affected having to travel to far away countries, but I think the pharmaceutical companies win on that one. JMHO.

Take care,
Pat
That's why I think Kim's going to the Roswell Clinic is a good move. She needs to see what they can do for her.
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Olive Oil
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One of my friends that I once worked with, was diagnosed with stage 3 breast cancer and went through radiation and chemo, more than 10 years ago and she is thriving. They also have more options than they had back then.
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Trotsky
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Feb 17 2017, 09:24 AM
One of my friends that I once worked with, was diagnosed with stage 3 breast cancer and went through radiation and chemo, more than 10 years ago and she is thriving. They also have more options than they had back then.
Did she start with surgery, Olive?
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Trotsky
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Bob's cousin had a mastectomy on Monday...she's about 50.
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swing
Feb 17 2017, 05:52 AM
I was not going to post any more about this but it upsets me to hear someone say it is a death sentence. Not so for everyone. It definitely was for my LH but gave my mother 7 additional years. Admittedly hers was not quality life but she did little to make it that way as have others I know.

I so agree, each individual reacts differently to chemo. My former next door neighbour had stage 3 breast cancer at age 68. She had chemo treatments which were successful and 10 years later is alive and well.
It used to be that when the word Cancer came out, everybody including the doctors hit the panic button. I was diagnosed with prostrate cancer and was advised to wait and watch for it to metastasize.
A year later nothing has changed so it seems that my doctors advice was good.
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Trotsky
Feb 18 2017, 09:52 AM
Olive Oil
Feb 17 2017, 09:24 AM
One of my friends that I once worked with, was diagnosed with stage 3 breast cancer and went through radiation and chemo, more than 10 years ago and she is thriving. They also have more options than they had back then.
Did she start with surgery, Olive?
There are different types of breast cancer. Alli and Kim had the worst types and Kim was fortunate hers did not metastasize for 4.5 years. So many of her friends are after Kim to try alternative treatments but everyone has to go with what they feel the most comfortable.

Take care,
Pat
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Olive Oil
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Feb 18 2017, 09:52 AM
Olive Oil
Feb 17 2017, 09:24 AM
One of my friends that I once worked with, was diagnosed with stage 3 breast cancer and went through radiation and chemo, more than 10 years ago and she is thriving. They also have more options than they had back then.
Did she start with surgery, Olive?
Yes, she did. Her only side effect seems to be memory loss from the chemo but it could be just aging.
My friends cancer was NOT driven by estrogen. The estrogen driven cancers seem to have better outcomes much of the time.
Trotsky, I hope Bob's cousin does well.
Edited by Olive Oil, Oct 25 2017, 12:37 PM.
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Trotsky
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I have trouble with the concept of mandatory chemotherapy after surgery. A radio guru put it this way: "Either the surgery got it all or it didn't. If they got it all, the chemo is superfluous and if they DIDN'T the chemo is useless." That seems logical to me.

In fact if chemo actually worked well to destroy cancer cells, then what is the purpose of surgery?
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