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| Topic Started: Dec 12 2007, 03:47 AM (226 Views) | |
| Trotsky | Dec 12 2007, 03:47 AM Post #1 |
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The court has found a single mother guilty of trading 25 songs on the internet which she burned to a CD-R via KaZaA (Capital v. Thomas.) She was fined $220,000 for the offence and the Justic Department has considered the sum fair. Don't do it...the penalties are too high. |
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| agate | Dec 12 2007, 04:05 AM Post #2 |
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Way too high. Not that I have to worry as it is not something I do. I just recently bought 2 new cd's...the 'Boss's' new cd Magic and Ann Murray's friends & legends :Yes: I wonder how they expect to collect it from a single mother, who more than likely has a very low income? |
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| Delphi51 | Jan 12 2008, 04:05 PM Post #3 |
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I'm sure not going to bring a computer into the United States! Apparently the border guards have complete freedom to search for stuff on your computer and confiscate the computer if they suspect anything at all. Many people report never getting them back again. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/24/business...gin&oref=slogin http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/01/07/america/legal.php Now the Swedes have a different idea: legalize music sharing. Here is the reasoning: http://sigfrid.wordpress.com/2008/01/07/de...e-file-sharing/ Someone suggested reducing copyright to 5 years. I think it is 50 years after the death of the author now. Can't remember where I read that. |
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| chayisun | Jan 14 2008, 05:18 AM Post #4 |
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Despite more than 20,000 lawsuits filed against music fans in the years since they started finding free tunes online rather than buying CDs from record companies, the recording industry has utterly failed to halt the decline of the record album or the rise of digital music sharing. Still, hardly a month goes by without a news release from the industry's lobby, the Recording Industry Association of America, touting a new wave of letters to college students and others demanding a settlement payment and threatening a legal battle. Now, in an unusual case in which an Arizona recipient of an RIAA letter has fought back in court rather than write a check to avoid hefty legal fees, the industry is taking its argument against music sharing one step further: In legal documents in its federal case against Jeffrey Howell, a Scottsdale, Ariz., man who kept a collection of about 2,000 music recordings on his personal computer, the industry maintains that it is illegal for someone who has legally purchased a CD to transfer that music into his computer. The industry's lawyer in the case, Ira Schwartz, argues in a brief filed earlier this month that the MP3 files Howell made on his computer from legally bought CDs are "unauthorized copies" of copyrighted recordings. "I couldn't believe it when I read that," says Ray Beckerman, a New York lawyer who represents six clients who have been sued by the RIAA. "The basic principle in the law is that you have to distribute actual physical copies to be guilty of violating copyright. But recently, the industry has been going around saying that even a personal copy on your computer is a violation." RIAA's hard-line position seems clear. Its Web site says: "If you make unauthorized copies of copyrighted music recordings, you're stealing. You're breaking the law and you could be held legally liable for thousands of dollars in damages." Whether customers may copy their CDs onto their computers -- an act at the very heart of the digital revolution -- has a murky legal foundation, the RIAA argues. T The industry's own Web site says that making a personal copy of a CD that you bought legitimately may not be a legal right, but it "won't usually raise concerns," as long as you don't give away the music or lend it to anyone. Of course, that's exactly what millions of people do every day. In a Los Angeles Times poll, 69 percent of teenagers surveyed said they thought it was legal to copy a CD they own and give it to a friend. The RIAA cites a study that found that more than half of current college students download music and movies illegally. The Howell case was not the first time the industry has argued that making a personal copy from a legally purchased CD is illegal. At the Thomas trial in Minnesota, Sony BMG's chief of litigation, Jennifer Pariser, testified that "when an individual makes a copy of a song for himself, I suppose we can say he stole a song." Copying a song you bought is "a nice way of saying 'steals just one copy,' " she said. But lawyers for consumers point to a series of court rulings over the last few decades that found no violation of copyright law in the use of VCRs and other devices to time-shift TV programs; that is, to make personal copies for the purpose of making portable a legally obtained recording. The RIAA's legal crusade against its customers is a classic example of an old media company clinging to a business model that has collapsed. Four years of a failed strategy has only "created a whole market of people who specifically look to buy independent goods so as not to deal with the big record companies," Beckerman says. "Every problem they're trying to solve is worse now than when they started." The industry "will continue to bring lawsuits" against those who "ignore years of warnings," RIAA spokesman Jonathan Lamy said in a statement. "It's not our first choice, but it's a necessary part of the equation. There are consequences for breaking the law." And, perhaps, for firing up your computer. So, even though you purchase a CD and, I would think own it, you are not allowed to put it on your own computer in order to listen to it while working on said computer. If you do this you are, apparently, breaking some kind of RIAA code....Anyway, how much of the price of a CD actually goes to the artist? I would think the RIAA pockets MOST of the money....That's why, I presume, musicians have tours.... |
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| wildie | Jan 14 2008, 11:19 AM Post #5 |
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I wonder if consumers quit buying music CD's for 6 months, in protest,what would happen? I bet there would be a change of heart by the music industry. |
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| Trotsky | Jan 15 2008, 03:28 AM Post #6 |
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In a word, YES! |
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| Deleted User | Jan 16 2008, 02:08 PM Post #7 |
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"So, even though you purchase a CD and, I would think own it, you are not allowed to put it on your own computer in order to listen to it while working on said computer." Makes absolutely no sense. I can listen to the music on any other device but not on my computer? How does the industry find out if you make copies? Just make sure you do not use Sony CDs - they have rootkits installed in the blank copies. There was an article on this last year and I have since quit buying Sony CD's even if they are on sale at bargain prices. This may have changed since then but I still refrain from purchasing Sony CD's. |
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| Delphi51 | Jan 19 2008, 07:22 PM Post #8 |
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I don't think there is any law against copying your own music to your MP3 player or ipod. I don't think anyone has been prosecuted for downloading music, either, though it has been mentioned by the prosecution in cases against people for sharing their music over the internet with Limewire or other such programs. Persons in the US should be extremely careful with Limewire because it puts downloaded songs in the share file and shares them to the world unless you turn it off or take the files out of the share folder. In Canada I'm sure we don't have a against possession of downloaded music. Somehow this has reminded me of our Vancouver marijuana store that has for many years been selling seeds all over the continent so you can grow your own. Somehow this is legal in Canada, too, and the guy is careful to pay income tax on every cent coming in. He sends his catalogs to all the MPs in Ottawa. He donates a lot of money to funds to help people fight the law against growing your own. But the latest news is that US authorities have charged him and his employees and extradition proceedings have begun. He is going to give up and take 5 years in jail to protect one of the employees who has a terminal illness. If interested, read http://www.hightimes.com/ht/news/content.php?bid=600&aid=24 or look up Marc Emery. Quite a character! |
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