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| Topic Started: May 29 2012, 08:06 AM (674 Views) | |
| Trotsky | May 29 2012, 08:06 AM Post #1 |
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Making me NUTS Department: I have matching double Kohler faucets in kitchen, bathroom and bathtub/shower. All that they differ in is size but otherwiise a matched set of chrome covered brass. Now, to turn the kitchen faucets ON I turn the knobs COUNTERCLOCKWISE and CLOCKWISE for OFF. In the bathroom sink I turn faucets ON by turning COUNTERCLOCKWISE...etc. So far so good...the universe is sane. But now in the SHOWER, it is reversed. ON is CLOCKWISE and OFF is COUNTERCLOCKWISE...this is different from the rest of the universe. So when I am in the shower and I get a burst of hot water I instinctively turn the hot faucet CLOCKWISE to turn it off which, of course SCALDS ME! So I know how I am going to meet my death...with a smashed cranium from falling out of the tub onto a tile floor, wrapped demurely in a shower curtain. Edited by Trotsky, May 29 2012, 08:07 AM.
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| Trotsky | Jun 3 2012, 12:17 AM Post #31 |
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Let's tightly define so we are all on the same page. Let us call a stem the item that moves to allow a washer/ball/ceramic discs to shut off or permit the flow of water. Let's call the faucet body the metal, usually brass, part of the body with machined threads that the stem usually screws into. Let us then call "the core" a piece that can fit between the faucet body and the stem...it is the core that would theoretically be able to change the directionality of a faucet. Given this three piece setup do you (wildie) claim this is common? It seems that campy and I have never seen anything with such a "core." I think also the page you provided showed dozens of stems but no such cores. I haven't taken this one apart but ALL the old facuets I have repaired were a brass construction with a stem screwed into the faucet body with a washer on the end that sat on a removal SEAT, a small screw with a hex hole in the middle. My last apartment had single lever with a stem that had a boall on the end with two holes in it again fitted into an unchangeable threaded faucet with two matching holes dpermanently drilled into the faucet brass...they may or may not have had seats drilled into them. But never anything like another piece resembling a "removeable core." |
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| campy | Jun 3 2012, 01:09 AM Post #32 |
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The only thing I can think of as a removable core is a cartridge. A cartridge can fit anywhere. What Trotsky and me are talking about is those heavy duty brass large threaded things with left and right hand threads. They are not interchangeable from left to right in a faucet because the accepting piece in the faucet also has left and right threads to accomodate. You can't screw a left hand thread into a right hand threaded receptacle. You have to take the whole faucet apart and move the entire mechanism. You can't do that with all faucets because the receptacle cannot be unscrewed. Look at my shower faucet set up. To open the faucet on the left you turn it counterclockwise. To open the faucet on the right you turn it clockwise. And there's no way to fix it. Notice the marks I put on top to stop myself from getting scalded. My kitchen faucets are exactly the same but not the bathroom faucets. I can understand the kitchen one because it's a lever and needs to be away from the water spout. There's a limited travel but no danger of scalding myself. Those are Waltec by the way.
Edited by campy, Jun 3 2012, 01:33 AM.
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| wildie | Jun 3 2012, 05:19 AM Post #33 |
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OK! There are many different types of 'cores'! The first that I came across were brass! However, on the faucet that I just removed, I have taken it apart and found that its core is Teflon. I have taken a photo of these pieces and attached it here! On the left is the faucet body, next is the stem, the core, the locking ring, the handle, the mounting screw and the handle cap! The stem rotates within the core by its attached handle!
Edited by wildie, Jun 3 2012, 05:22 AM.
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| campy | Jun 3 2012, 05:37 AM Post #34 |
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Well shit man. Those are cartridges not cores and easily interchangeable. Looks like the stuff I had are no longer being manufactured and when I think about it now the faucets were 40 years old. Edited by campy, Jun 3 2012, 06:42 AM.
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| wildie | Jun 3 2012, 12:29 PM Post #35 |
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If you Google 'faucet core' and 'faucet cartridge' it appears that the terms are by the most part interchangeable. For the faucet that I have on hand, I would be more comfortable calling the assembly a cartridge. However, I have a unit that is made of brass. The stem is brass also. The 'core' has a course female thread inside that matches the course threads of the stem. The stem has an end that holds a rubber washer. It has a rubber 'O' ring that keeps water from leaking out. This unit, I'm more comfortable thinking of it as a 'core'. This unit is available with left or right handed threads to determine which direction the handle is rotated to turn on the water. I would like to attach some photos of this, but at the moment its located 50 miles away and I won't be able to retrieve it at this time! Edited by wildie, Jun 3 2012, 12:35 PM.
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| Trotsky | Jun 4 2012, 03:44 AM Post #36 |
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Thanks for the efforts wildie. I would not have thought to find a plastic assembly inside that prosaic looking chromed brass faucet. But in truth, I would have to get my hands on the works to see how it works. The only threads I can make out are the outer threads in the brass body on the left. On the one at hand, how is the CORE fitted to the brass body of the faucet? (I would take my shower faucet apart to see firsthand but I don't know how to shut off the water except to kill the hot water to the entire buiding or to my line (of 42 apartments.)There is a suspicious bolt under each faucet stem, inside the wall. Perhaps it's a shutoff? Or else just a bleeder screw? I'm a little frightened of going there. If I break something behind the tiles I'll be in deep doo-doo. Maybe a snapshot is in order and you can advise me. Edited by Trotsky, Jun 4 2012, 04:00 AM.
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| wildie | Jun 4 2012, 04:08 AM Post #37 |
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If you would like a hands on look at cores/cartridges etc. perhaps you can have a look at the repair kits that are available at plumbing retail stores. In the 'exploded' view that I posted earlier the unit is pressed into the body and held there by the locking ring. The brass ones that I have seen, the core/cartridges have male threads (perhaps 32 threads per inch) that are screwed into female threads in the faucet body. Of course, there are the mating 'stem' threads inside as well. |
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| wildie | Jun 4 2012, 04:16 AM Post #38 |
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I would be willing to bet that the suspicious screw is in fact a shut off. If so, I would expect to see two of these. One for hot and the other for cold. Bleeding isn't usually required for water supply systems as opening the faucet allows trapped air to be released. In water circulation systems used for heating, bleeding valves are necessary to remove trapped air. |
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| Trotsky | Jun 4 2012, 03:48 PM Post #39 |
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I am inclined to agree with you about the screws being shut off's, wildie. Pictures tomorrow. Yes there are two of these because my system is quite double facueted...a full 8 inches apart. |
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| Changi | Jun 4 2012, 10:19 PM Post #40 |
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I have had all my old type threaded taps/faucets replaced with lever 1/4 turn types, even the shower has a similar system for flow and heat settings - easy peasy for those with arthritis. |
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| wildie | Jun 5 2012, 02:23 PM Post #41 |
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Me too! The lever types are great for those who suffer from arthritus! |
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| campy | Jun 6 2012, 05:40 AM Post #42 |
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My kitchen sink was a Moen single lever.. Constant leakage from the carrtidges. Easily replaced at no cost however. |
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| wildie | Jun 6 2012, 12:28 PM Post #43 |
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Buy Chinese, they never leak! :super: |
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| Trotsky | Jun 7 2012, 12:19 AM Post #44 |
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When my faucets were installed, the Chinese hadn/t been invented yet. |
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| wildie | Jun 7 2012, 06:17 AM Post #45 |
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Are you sure? How come in the movies of New York City, everybody is shown eating Chinese outa dem funny little boxes. 017 |
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