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| Deleted User | Nov 20 2012, 05:39 PM Post #1 |
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| drivera462 | Nov 23 2012, 03:51 AM Post #16 |
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Well, at the risk of igniting another fire, I don't know much about the facts since I don't really follow the Israeli/Palestinian conflagration. I see two sides that pretty much despise each other. There are Jews and Palestinians who want peace and there are Jews and Palestinians who are content to keep fighting. What I don't ever hear are viable solutions on which both sides could agree. A pity we can't have an international version of Judge Judy with both sides simultaneously airing their gripes for the whole world to see. I liked this article: Who started the Israel-Gaza conflict? At the end of a lengthy timeline: "OK, my own takeaway from this timetable (drum roll) is that it's very hard to say which side started the conflict." Edited by drivera462, Nov 23 2012, 03:58 AM.
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| friendshipgal | Nov 23 2012, 04:06 AM Post #17 |
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Guess everyone wants their own Trudashians
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I think this morning's article in the NP is very good, worth a read. It does seem that their stockpile of long range missiles is depleted, wonder if Iran is allready shipping more. http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/11/21/jonathan-kay-israels-new-position-of-strength/ Assuming Wednesday’s ceasefire deal holds, Israel now should turn its attention to new strategies for dealing with the Palestinians. Yes, this conflict was a small victory. Arguably, the 2008-09 Gaza conflict was as well. But surely Israel would prefer to avoid these wars rather than win them. As unreachable as it seems, Israel’s long-term goal must be to encourage Gaza to become a “normal,” peaceful enclave, ruled by an administration that cares more about building up a prosperous Muslim society than annihilating the Jewish one next door. Israel can’t keep attacking Gaza every four years. The ceasefire deal involves an Israeli pledge to engage in talks about modifying its economic blockade on Gaza. (As the text of the agreement has it: “Opening the crossings and facilitating the movements of people and transfer of goods and refraining from restricting residents’ free movements and targeting residents in border areas and procedures of implementation shall be dealt with after 24 hours from the start of the ceasefire.”) Given Hamas’ stated policy of seeking to wipe the Jewish state off the map, Israel’s blockade is legally and morally defensible. But if Egyptian, Israeli and Palestinian negotiators can find a way to reduce Gaza’s isolation without subjecting the Jewish state to an influx of new Iranian-supplied Hamas weaponry, then there might be room for some sort of starter, training-wheel arrangement that suspends elements of the Israeli blockade on a provisional basis. |
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| Durgan | Nov 23 2012, 05:50 AM Post #18 |
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I spent a year in GAZA with the first UNEF Peace Force in 1957/1958. I found the young people are infused with hatred similar to RC catechism teaching from an early age. Give me a child at the age of 6 to 12 and dogmas can be implanted unshakable for life, except for some of the intelligent. Intelligence is not a predominant characteristic of the sheeple. A young person in Arab countries is told every day to hate Israel. Tolerance is generally unknown except in silent enclaves. The conflict is tragic, but what can one do if the avowed dogma is your annihilation? The Arabs are great at celebrating a defeat as a victory. Imagine Japan and Germany having a Victory Parade in 1945. With all the oil money produced in the Arab Middle East, every person could have a standard of living equivalent to many Western countries. But this is simply not done. Why? |
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| drivera462 | Nov 23 2012, 07:42 AM Post #19 |
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Because the sheiks want the money for themselves and they don't want the rabble turning on them. That's why it's far easier to hate Israel and the US instead of your own repressive government. |
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| drivera462 | Nov 24 2012, 07:19 AM Post #20 |
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