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| Topic Started: May 8 2013, 03:18 AM (315 Views) | |
| Trotsky | May 8 2013, 03:18 AM Post #1 |
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Has anyone tried their hand at filling/rebuilding laser printer cartridges? I am a cheapskate and have kept a couple SAMSUNG cartridges for an ML-2510 printer going for 4 years without spending a penny. It's been an incredible learning curve that involves a fuse (okay $1.99 for 4 fuses...still have 3) to reset a counter that allows only so many copies per cartridge, to emptying waste toner from the cartridge to dealing with a damaged drum. Printer came with a starter cart. with very little toner but I found a REAL cartridge in a discarded printer so I filled it and fitted it with a new fuse, that blows the instant it is installed but that single high amperage pulse resets the counter to zero...cool. Annyhoo after about 1000 pages I noticed a blob on the drum which I tried to scrape off...big mistake because off came the green drum cover underneath. So every 3 inches I'd get a big black blob. Plus I needed to shake the cartridge every few pages. Hmmm, weighing the cartridge showed almost full weight (780 grams). Okay, took it apart (destructive testing) and found that all the toner was in the "waste toner container," toner cart was empty. VERY carefully scraped out all the toner, about 60 grams. Dug out the empty starter cartridge (fuseless) and filled it with the 60 grams recovered toner, black. Apparently you cannot recover waste color toner because the burn changes the color. Popped the starter cart back in and it is printing BEAUTIFULLY and of course the timer that was reset by the other cartridge is still at 1000 pages with 2000 more to go. Following a wonderful Japanese video I was going to reassemble the REAL cartridge but it would have been a lot of work, albeit a wonderful learning tool...but given the damaged drum, there would have been no point (the drum costs almost as much as a rebuilt cartridge.) Christ almighty, you can get dirty playing with toner (I used a face mask just in case.) Anyone else try this? (I did it once with a HP laser...just pop in a tube of cheap toner, easy peasy, but then a plastic gear broke rendering the printer a piece of schytte, which it reallly was the day I bought it.) Advantage of Samsung is that with every toner cartridge you get a new drum...but a new OEM is almost $100. (Knockoff's and rebuilds can be had for $30.) Edited by Trotsky, May 8 2013, 03:22 AM.
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| wildie | May 8 2013, 04:27 AM Post #2 |
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I have a HP CP1025 NW lase printer that I really like. Its not that old and the black toner just ran out and the colors are on the verge. How this printer functions is a mystery to me, but I do wonder if I could refill the cartridges myself. The new black cartridge cost me $65 to replace, so at $65 a crack, I'm not very excited about having to buy more of these. |
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| Delphi51 | May 8 2013, 04:42 AM Post #3 |
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Most interesting! How did you find out about the fuse? Do you have a good source for replacement toner? We have two Brother black laser printers and an HP color one that costs $400 to refill at Staples. About half that at inkjetsuperstore.ca. I'll probably never buy another cartridge at Staples after discovering a reliable, fast online source. |
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| campy | May 8 2013, 06:07 AM Post #4 |
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i have an HP C6180 All in One that I bought at a yard sale. I refill my own black cartridge and beat the the scam by not taking the cartridge out to refill it. I drilled a small hole in it and used a small screw to seal it before I installed it. Now I just fill it while it is in the printer and no problems so far. Trotsky. You must do an awful lot of printing. Are you writing a novel? The colour cartridges for this unit are really cheap so I don't bother because I use the printer on black and white unless I am printing photos. And this printer does a great job on photos. Edited by campy, May 8 2013, 06:09 AM.
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| Trotsky | May 8 2013, 09:42 AM Post #5 |
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http://www.fixyourownprinter.com/forums/laser/44978 THat fixyourownprinter forum is quite something. Somebody tossed out a box of canon toner...6 sealed containers each with about 100 grams of black toner each of which is good for about 3,000 pages. In my best Yiddishe mama accent: "I should LIVE so long." I don't think that without a lottery win I would ever buy a colored laser printer...the complexity and expense seems insurmountable. Delph, There are dozens of sites where you can get toner. I have never needed to buy any except some $6 tubes for the POS HP about 5 years ago. campy, I found that MOST of the toner does not wind up on the paper but rather is swept off and goes into a waste cartridge section. Some lasers tell you it is full, some say nothing, just make a mess when the excess can no longer be wiped off. Eventually you will need to find where this container is and empty it. I have heard that a VERY few cartridges recycle the used toner back into the loading section...but that doesn;t sell cartridges does it? laugh123 With black you CAN empty it into the feeder cartridge again...some say don't do it, others say it's fine. That's what I did this time. My novel will be written longhand with a Shaeffer Snorkel Pen.
That's what I did with my injets. I must say...I certainly use every section of my brain when it comes to avoiding spending money. :ChickenDance: If you have a few minutes watch this guy at work...this is my cartridge the Samsumg ML-2010D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFABcd-BNlM Edited by Trotsky, May 8 2013, 10:15 AM.
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| Delphi51 | May 8 2013, 11:08 AM Post #6 |
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Wow, I never knew that exists. Oh, I see you found a LOT of toner. I thought the "waste" toner had been heated so the little plastic balls were cooked. What an incredible waste. Is all black toner the same? The guy in the video sure has a nice workbench and exhaust fan. I've never seen an air powered screw driver before. I guess I am leading a sheltered life. Yes, color laser toner is expensive, but much less than injet ink on a per sheet comparison. DW and DD do a lot of posters and invitations for their art business. And many volunteer works. I could use a little offset press. Thanks very much for the refilling info. |
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| wildie | May 8 2013, 03:06 PM Post #7 |
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This post is timely for me! With the links I was able to find out how to refill my cartridges, how to change the electronic chip and where to order from. I have already ordered the kit which comes with 4 colors of toner, 4 chips and an electric iron for cutting the holes. $50 USD delivered from Hong Kong! I was looking at more than $250 CDN to buy locally. |
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| Trotsky | May 9 2013, 12:00 AM Post #8 |
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Keep us posted on your adventure, wildie. With 4 colors and 4 chips, it's gonna be a wild ride. Just be careful to keep your hands and any utensils except soft tissue off the drums. (I consider myself lucky that serendity gave me those simple glass fuses that cars of the 1950's and 1960's used and any Radio Shack sells them cheap instead of a chip, but I wouldn't be surprised if the chip was little more than a low amp resistor that blows just like a fuse.) Be sure to turn off all fans and air conditioners and wear a dust mask and rubber gloves because toner is carcinogenic. Spread LOTS of newspaper paper onto a table and do everything with small slow motions...you don't want to frighten the toner into running all over your house. Fortunately it readily washes from the skin. The word MESS was invented specifically with toner in mind. If you order again can you get it cheaper WITHOUT the hole melter? Delphi, The waste toner certainly isn't heated into little balls, but I guess it IS heated and some say that the heat deionizes the particles and it doesn't adhere well to the charged drum. Personal experience: recycled black works very well. Others say that the heating darkens the colors so using waste COLORED toner changes the color palette a lot. I can't say becasue I have no experience with color. And nobody ever complained that "the black is TOO black." biggrin 04 And what is more ecologically sensitive than reusing toner instead of putting it into a landfill...refilling is our DUTY as good citizens. I see toner and cartridges (and injets) like viruses: the companies do their best to make sure you cannot refill them hence chips and fuses, so the refillers including US, akin to hackers, have to stay one step ahead of them. :happy: I have found there is a learning curve to this stuff...first disassembly is adrenaline time. Then it gets to be old hat as your confidence builds. Edited by Trotsky, May 9 2013, 12:12 AM.
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| wildie | May 9 2013, 08:38 AM Post #9 |
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I was notified that my kit has been shipped! There are two different ways of replacing the toner in my cartridges. One is to take it apart, dump out the used toner and replace with the new! The other is to melt a hole into the side to allow the used toner to be dumped out. Sticky sheets are provided cover the hole, after. Another hole is made to allow new toner to be poured in. Again the hole is covered over by a sticky sheet. I chose the hole cutting method as it seemed to be a quicker way. This kit comes with the cutter iron, several pairs of rubber gloves, sticky sheets, four toner containers, and four chips. I can examine the chip on my extra cartridge and its a small printed circuit board. Approximately 3/8" square, with two electrical contact points. When the cartridge is installed in the printer, the chip is electrically connected to the printers computer. How the count is kept on the chip, I have no idea. The supplier for this kit, will also supply extra chips for about $8 each. |
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| Trotsky | May 9 2013, 12:22 PM Post #10 |
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What is the rated number of pages, aka chip counter setting? |
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| Trotsky | May 9 2013, 12:25 PM Post #11 |
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wildie, You saw this right? http://www.inktechnologies.com/ce310a-toner-cartridge-hp-compatible?gdftrk=gdfV22178_a_7c569_a_7c3240_a_7c6264391_d_s1_d_LaserJet_d_CP1025nw&gclid=CI6qtdjTh7cCFUPc4AodVBwA5Q |
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| wildie | May 9 2013, 12:28 PM Post #12 |
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When I first set up my printer I vaguely recollect a number around 4k. I will have to look back on the manual to verify this. |
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| Delphi51 | May 10 2013, 04:10 PM Post #13 |
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Just checked my color cartridges at inkjet technologies.com and they are $36, free shipping if I buy two at a time. Oh, it won't accept my address. Maybe when I call them. I think this is a fair bit lower than the Canadian place I last ordered from. |
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| Trotsky | May 11 2013, 12:44 AM Post #14 |
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Just to clear the air, that's $36 EACH, right...so 4 x $36? I'll bet your difficulty getting them to ship has something to do with CANADA. |
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| Darcie | May 11 2013, 12:47 AM Post #15 |
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This buying in Canada from some US sites drives me crazy. I have a friend who lives in Michigan and she purchases for me, cheaper too, then sends it to me as a gift. |
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