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Topic Started: Aug 22 2013, 06:51 PM (2,048 Views)
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Aug 31 2013, 12:03 AM
Obama wants to go into Syria and WILL.
I totally disagree, Obama does not want to go into Syria.

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The U.S. response has been similarly shameful. From the outset of the Syrian rebellion, the Obama administration has shown remarkable timidity. After all, the Assad dictatorship was a regime that President Obama had set out to "engage" (the theocracy in Tehran being the other). The American response to the struggle for Syria was glacial. To be sure, we had a remarkable and courageous envoy to Damascus, Ambassador Robert Ford. He had braved regime bullies, made his way to funerals and restive cities. In the bloodied streets, he found the not-so-surprising faith in American power and benevolence.


But at the highest levels of the administration—the president, the secretary of state—the animating drive toward Syria is one of paralyzing caution. Deep down, the Obama administration seems to subscribe to the belief that Assad's tyranny is preferable to the alternative held out by the opposition. With no faith in freedom's possibilities and power, U.S. diplomacy has operated on the unstated assumption that the regime is likely to ride out the storm.

The tenacity of this rebellion surprised Washington, and due deference had to be paid to it. Last month, Frederic Hof, the State Department's point man on Syria, described the Damascus regime as a "dead man walking." There was political analysis in that statement, but also a desire that the Syrian struggle would end well without Washington having to make any hard choices.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203462304577139434278336136.html

And Republicans are split on intervention.
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The Obama administration’s march to war in Syria is exposing anew fissures in the Republican Party, with its members splitting over whether the United States should intervene militarily.


http://www.defensenews.com/article/20130828/DEFREG02/308280022/March-War-Syria-Reveals-Fissures-Within-GOP
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Campy, which newspapers that I read do you consider bias?

It's only natural Bitsy to post links to newspapers that support your opinion or argumen

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You don't even read newspapers so whatever contrast you think you provide is from very dubious sources.

I read the news on the internet like the CBC, NPR, CBS, AOl, CNN, and I have NPR on my radio just about 24/7 as well as watching television news.

If those sources are dubious then so are yours.


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So I think it's you who is confused when it comes to Obama and Syria.


I am not confused at all Bitsy. The news is there to read. I hope for the sake of Americans that Obama doesn't go into Syria and open a can of worms involving Israel. They are passing out gas masks.
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Obama wants to go into Syria and WILL.


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I totally disagree, Obama does not want to go into Syria


So then when he attacks Syria it will be those awful Republicans who FORCED him to action?
Poor dear sounds like a marionette.
Or will he blame BUSH and CHENEY? Maybe the ghost of Saddam Hussein?

Nobody ELSE wants to go into Syria. The American people are against it 91 to 9. Congress has not been asked.

I hope you are right Bitsy and his "not wanting to go into Syria" will result in his actually "not going into Syria." But I think the chances are slim and our little black Hitler will start yet another war, perhaps this weekend.
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Aug 31 2013, 05:38 AM
It's only natural Bitsy to post links to newspapers that support your opinion or argumen

I generally post news stories, Campy, to start the discussion. If I make a point in the discussion that needs substantiation, I will link to my source, which may or may not have a bias depending upon the story being discussed. My sources are very main stream, and if you were familiar with US publications you would know that without having to be told.

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I read the news on the internet like the CBC, NPR, CBS, AOl, CNN, and I have NPR on my radio just about 24/7 as well as watching television news.

If those sources are dubious then so are yours
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I see now that you have changed your story remember telling us “I don't read the papers. I get all my information in this forum”.

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I am not confused at all Bitsy. The news is there to read. I hope for the sake of Americans that Obama doesn't go into Syria and open a can of worms involving Israel. They are passing out gas masks.


You assertion that Obama wanted to go to Syria was either confusion or a disregard from what has been said for the past year. I hope for the sake of the world, not just America, that Obama doesn’t go into Syria.
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Aug 31 2013, 05:43 AM
Nobody ELSE wants to go into Syria. The American people are against it 91 to 9. Congress has not been asked.

The latest poll on US intervention in Syria.

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By 50 to 42 percent, more Americans say the United States should not take broad military action against the Syrian government for its alleged use of chemical weapons, according to an NBC News poll released Friday.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/08/30/half-of-americans-oppose-broad-military-action-in-syria-poll-finds/

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I hope you are right Bitsy and his "not wanting to go into Syria" will result in his actually "not going into Syria." But I think the chances are slim and our little black Hitler will start yet another war, perhaps this weekend.


I hope I am right also, Trotsky. Obama seems to believe some misguided notion that this is a stand against chemical weapons being used in future attacks. If I believed that to be the case, I would be cheering for an intervention. The limited scope of what is being discussed publicly will do nothing to deter the use of these weapons and though we have the ability to temporarily disrupt the delivery of such weapons, we cannot destroy or prevent access to the chemicals. Now is not the time for a moral indignation stand of high risks and low benefits. Nor is it the time for a principled stand for human rights throughout the world; now is the time to choose our battles wisely.

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I generally post news stories, Campy, to start the discussion. If I make a point in the discussion that needs substantiation, I will link to my source, which may or may not have a bias depending upon the story being discussed. My sources are very main stream, and if you were familiar with US publications you would know that without having to be told.

What I am telling you is that you only post stories to support your argument. You don't post an opposing view.
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I see now that you have changed your story remember telling us “I don't read the papers. I get all my information in this forum”.


The news editions like CBS, CNN online are not
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in my opinion. I don't go to the Toronto Star, or the Globe and Mail and I told you about listening to NPR radio on my car radio and at home so I haven't changed my story. I don't read newspaper editions but I am not totally bereft of the news Bitsy. I read the news on my tablet every night.

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You assertion that Obama wanted to go to Syria was either confusion or a disregard from what has been said for the past year. I hope for the sake of the world, not just America, that Obama doesn’t go into Syria.


Look. When Britain and Canada don't want to join up with Obama and the U.S. that means Obama want's to go there and they don't. That's the only reason for Obama holding back. At least that's what I read and interpret in the news.


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Aug 31 2013, 06:51 AM
What I am telling you is that you only post stories to support your argument. You don't post an opposing view.
That is not true; the more excuses you make the more I realize that you read most posts with a jaundiced eye and your own perception of what is being said.
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The news editions like CBS, CNN online are not

Are not what?
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in my opinion. I don't go to the Toronto Star, or the Globe and Mail and I told you about listening to NPR radio on my car radio and at home so I haven't changed my story. I don't read newspaper editions but I am not totally bereft of the news Bitsy. I read the news on my tablet every night.

That is a big difference than what you said.....“I don't read the papers. I get all my information in this forum”. Perhaps you should have explained yourself better before making that comment.
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Look. When Britain and Canada don't want to join up with Obama and the U.S. that means Obama want's to go there and they don't. That's the only reason for Obama holding back. At least that's what I read and interpret in the news.

Please stop trying to change horses in mid stream. Our conversation had nothing to do with Britain or Canada. Our conservation began when you said that Obama wanted to go into Syria; I said you were mistaken and provided your with examples and sources dating back for the last year of his reluctance to intervene militarily in Syria . The Britain and Canada development is a new thing, it only happened yesterday so please get back to your original point that Obama wanted to go into Syria and tell me what formed the basis of your opinion.

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O.K.Bitsy. Obama doesn't want to go to Syria but he's going anyway.

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With no faith in freedom's possibilities and power, U.S. diplomacy has operated on the unstated assumption that the regime is likely to ride out the storm.
And we see how well "freedom" worked in Iraq...

So, Campy, does telling the truth make a news source "biased?" And you do realize our conservatives consider NPR to be a liberally-biased cesspool that should be tarred and feathered?
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With no faith in freedom's possibilities and power, U.S. diplomacy has operated on the unstated assumption that the regime is likely to ride out the storm.
And we see how well "freedom" worked in Iraq...

So, Campy, does telling the truth make a news source "biased?" And you do realize our conservatives consider NPR to be a liberally-biased cesspool that should be tarred and feathered?
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Does telling the truth make a news source biased?


Well no but the person using it is biased in their opinion by only posting news stories that agree with their opinion.

What comes to mind is the "global warming' debate. There are two sides to that story. It's not all doom and gloom.

And sometimes the 'truth' as you call it is stretched by the source.

I love NPR news. I don't find it biased at all. I have it on my tablet and I listen to the news at night.

They don't seem to have opinionated reporters commenting. They just read the news.

And the music after and before the news. ? Classical music without a ton of interruptions. Great stuff.
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SATIRE...............SATIRE.................SATIRE....................SATIRE....................SATIRE.............SATIRE

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As preparations for war with Syria continue, the White House is quietly taking on another new enemy: the United Kingdom.

A revised menu posted this morning at the official White House cafeteria in the West Wing has replaced "English Muffins" with "Freedom Muffins" in response to the U.K.'s refusal to join U.S. military action against the regime of Bashar Al-Assad.

The move comes just days after Britain's Parliament dramatically voted down a resolution authorizing Prime Minister David Cameron to take military action against Syria, which served to embarrass president Obama as he sought to build international support for the mission.

Asked about the change during a routine press conference, White House spokesman Jay Carney acknowledged the menu adjustment, but denied President Barack Obama had any direct role in the decision.

"Decisions about menu items are made by lower-level staff and the change does not necessarily reflect the president's thinking," he explained. "Clearly, however, there has been a shock to the so-called special relationship with the U.K., and I think this new menu reflects that."


http://dailycurrant.com/2013/08/31/white-house-menu-replaces-english-muffins-with-freedom-muffins/
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You have to be kidding are they that childish.
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Sep 2 2013, 07:38 AM
You have to be kidding are they that childish.
No, it is satire.
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I presume all the tea in the White House has been dumped in the Rose Garden and nobody is allowed to announce their weight in "pounds" anymore.
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Sep 1 2013, 04:39 PM
What comes to mind is the "global warming' debate. There are two sides to that story. It's not all doom and gloom.
Uh, 98% of climate scientists and most of the world believes in global warming and the gloom/doom. Might want to ask the people of Boulder, Colorado what they think.
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