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Topic Started: Aug 22 2013, 06:51 PM (2,047 Views)
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One more time. What degree are humans involved?
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Sep 21 2013, 04:05 AM
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Sep 1 2013, 04:39 PM
What comes to mind is the "global warming' debate. There are two sides to that story. It's not all doom and gloom.
Uh, 98% of climate scientists and most of the world believes in global warming and the gloom/doom. Might want to ask the people of Boulder, Colorado what they think.
The people in Boulder Colorado"

You mean the flooding?

Wait a minute now. Global warming means less water not more.

The rivers are supposed to become just trickles is what I read.

98% of scientists?

Doesn't mean a thing.

98 percent of the scientists and doctors didn't believe childbirth deaths were caused by lack of sanitation.

It took one doctor, not the majority to prove it.

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Sep 21 2013, 01:32 PM
Wait a minute now. Global warming means less water not more.

The rivers are supposed to become just trickles is what I read.

No, global warming has predicted more severe storms and changes where they will occur. Some will see crippling droughts; others, catastrophic flooding. Category 5 hurricanes will become more common. So will blizzards.
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98% of scientists?
Doesn't mean a thing.
98 percent of the scientists and doctors didn't believe childbirth deaths were caused by lack of sanitation.
It took one doctor, not the majority to prove it.
And that was 170 years ago. Science has come a long way. You know the hypothesis/theory/observation/testing/validation or refutation kinda thing.
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Oct 17 2013, 10:23 AM
campy
Sep 21 2013, 01:32 PM
Wait a minute now. Global warming means less water not more.

The rivers are supposed to become just trickles is what I read.

No, global warming has predicted more severe storms and changes where they will occur. Some will see crippling droughts; others, catastrophic flooding. Category 5 hurricanes will become more common. So will blizzards.
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98% of scientists?
Doesn't mean a thing.
98 percent of the scientists and doctors didn't believe childbirth deaths were caused by lack of sanitation.
It took one doctor, not the majority to prove it.
And that was 170 years ago. Science has come a long way. You know the hypothesis/theory/observation/testing/validation or refutation kinda thing.
It doesn't matter that it happened 170 years ago.

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Category 5 hurricanes will become more common. So will blizzards.
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98% of scientists?
Doesn't mean a thing.


You have no proof of that.

Last year was a low for the number of hurricanes. I read that somewhere.

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Atlantic hurricane season: A record-breaking dud? - News.MSN.com
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Sep 9, 2013 - Atlantic hurricane season: Tropical Storm Ernesto, a tropical low off of ... it may even enter the record books as marking the quietest start to any ...
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Uh, read up on Sandy and why it ran up the Atlantic coast and then took an unexpected westward turn. Global warming doesn't necessarily mean MORE hurricanes, it means more severe ones. But you've never let facts get in the way.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/us-british-study-ties-hurricane-sandy-global-warming-article-1.1447332

http://www.climatecentral.org/news/how-global-warming-made-hurricane-sandy-worse-15190

http://science.howstuffworks.com/nature/natural-disasters/global-warming-cause-hurricane-sandy.htm
"Can we say that global warming is the cause for extreme weather, and Sandy in particular? It's hard to argue a direct causal relationship, when extreme weather events have been around forever. After all, hurricanes, winter storms and tsunamis aren't 21st-century inventions.

But there's a difference between saying that Hurricane Sandy was caused by climate change and saying that climate change is causing weather to swing in extreme ways and create storms with more impact. There's a growing consensus among climate scientists that global warming is creating variables that make storms (and other weather occurrences) more extreme."

And scientific inquiry has evolved light years in the past 170. Only a fool dismisses something without adequate scrutiny.
Edited by drivera462, Oct 17 2013, 02:46 PM.
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Consensus is not proof and Sandy doesn't even make the top ten. Worst was Galveston in 1900 in the U. S. But don't let facts get in your way.

http://science.time.com/2013/09/09/a-silent-hurricane-season-ignites-a-debate-over-global-warming/
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Oct 17 2013, 04:15 PM
Consensus is not proof and Sandy doesn't even make the top ten. Worst was Galveston in 1900 in the U. S. But don't let facts get in your way.

http://science.time.com/2013/09/09/a-silent-hurricane-season-ignites-a-debate-over-global-warming/
I am not sure where you got your information that Sandy wasn't in the top ten. I couldn't find that in the article that you linked. Did I overlook it?


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Last year, the National Hurricane Center tried to rank (pdf) the deadliest and most expensive storms in U.S. history. If we only look at pure economic damage adjusted for inflation, then Sandy is on pace to be the second or third costliest hurricane since 1900, topped only by Hurricane Katrina in 2005 and on par with 1992's Hurricane Andrew

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Notice something striking about this list. Even after adjusting for inflation, the costliest storms have all occurred in the past decade. So does that means the hurricanes themselves have been getting more powerful and destructive of late?

Not necessarily. After all, the U.S. population has also been growing, our cities have been swelling, and our living standards are rising. That means a similar-sized hurricane will do more economic damage in a given area today than it did back in 1917. That's why the National Hurricane Center also offers a second ranking. Here are the costliest storms since 1900 if you adjust for inflation, population, and property values. This, in other words, is what those storms likely would have cost if they hit today:

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6. Sandy, 2012, $50 billion (est.)





http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/11/05/is-sandy-the-second-most-destructive-u-s-hurricane-ever-or-not-even-top-10/
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This is global warming. we are talking about not only U.S. hurricanes.
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Oct 18 2013, 06:23 AM
This is global warming. we are talking about not only U.S. hurricanes.
Yes, I know the topic, Campy, but this is your statement:
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Sandy doesn't even make the top ten. Worst was Galveston in 1900 in the U. S. But don't let facts get in your way.

I offered a link that said your comment was wrong. Since I couldn't find your assertion in the link you provided, I assume it was one of your own personal pronouncements and chose to see if there were any facts to back it up.

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Oct 18 2013, 06:36 AM
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Oct 18 2013, 06:23 AM
This is global warming. we are talking about not only U.S. hurricanes.
Yes, I know the topic, Campy, but this is your statement:
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Sandy doesn't even make the top ten. Worst was Galveston in 1900 in the U. S. But don't let facts get in your way.

I offered a link that said your comment was wrong. Since I couldn't find your assertion in the link you provided, I assume it was one of your own personal pronouncements and chose to see if there were any facts to back it up.

Nope. Sandy didn't even make it to the top ten in the world's worst tornadoes.

Not my personal comments.

If you took the time to look it up you would have seen it as well.

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Oct 18 2013, 06:36 AM
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Oct 18 2013, 06:23 AM
This is global warming. we are talking about not only U.S. hurricanes.
Yes, I know the topic, Campy, but this is your statement:
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Sandy doesn't even make the top ten. Worst was Galveston in 1900 in the U. S. But don't let facts get in your way.

I offered a link that said your comment was wrong. Since I couldn't find your assertion in the link you provided, I assume it was one of your own personal pronouncements and chose to see if there were any facts to back it up.

Nope. Sandy didn't even make it to the top ten in the world's worst tornadoes.

Not my personal comments.

If you took the time to look it up you would have seen it as well.

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I suspect in terms of damage it's right up there.
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Oct 18 2013, 11:26 AM
I suspect in terms of damage it's right up there.
But it's not in the top ten FuzzyO..


The comment was that the tornadoes are less frequent but worse than before due to global warming.

That's the point I am challenging.

Here's the comment along with the insult.

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Global warming doesn't necessarily mean MORE hurricanes, it means more severe ones. But you've never let facts get in the way.
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Oct 18 2013, 11:25 AM
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Sandy doesn't even make the top ten. Worst was Galveston in 1900 in the U. S. But don't let facts get in your way.


Not my personal comments.



If you took the time to look it up you would have seen it as well.

OMG, I did take the time to look it up and I posted the link that disputed your comment. Did you not read my link?

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Nope. Sandy didn't even make it to the top ten in the world's worst tornadoes.


There you go again, changing horses in mid-stream on me. Are we speaking if US hurricanes or world hurricanes. Either way, you are wrong because Galveston wasn't the world's worst hurricane, and of course Sandy wasn't in the top ten of tornadoes because Sandy was a hurricane not a tornado.

And, I notice that you still can't find a link to support either of your theories, Sandy or Galveston.
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