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Oct 18 2013, 11:26 AM
I suspect in terms of damage it's right up there.
FuzzyO, Campy seems to be confused about the difference in a hurricane and a tornado. Not sure if he knows if Sandy was a tornado or a hurricane.
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Oct 18 2013, 11:51 AM
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Oct 18 2013, 11:25 AM

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OMG, I did take the time to look it up and I posted the link that disputed your comment. Did you not read my link?

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Nope. Sandy didn't even make it to the top ten in the world's worst tornadoes.


There you go again, changing horses in mid-stream on me. Are we speaking if US hurricanes or world hurricanes. Either way, you are wrong because Galveston wasn't the world's worst hurricane, and of course Sandy wasn't in the top ten of tornadoes because Sandy was a hurricane not a tornado.

And, I notice that you still can't find a link to support either of your theories, Sandy or Galveston.
I can support them but I am not going to bother.

I think I proved my point that the tornadoes are not worse than before due to global warming and that's all I was trying to do Bitsy.

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Oct 18 2013, 11:54 AM
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Oct 18 2013, 11:26 AM
I suspect in terms of damage it's right up there.
FuzzyO, Campy seems to be confused about the difference in a hurricane and a tornado. Not sure if he knows if Sandy was a tornado or a hurricane.
Does it matter? They are both damaging windstorms. One is isolated and the other is travelling.

Sandy qualifies for neither worst tornado or worst hurricane in the top ten and the point made was that these storms are getting worse due to global warming.

I think that's bullshit and I proved it.

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Oct 18 2013, 11:58 AM
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I can support them but I am not going to bother.

I think I proved my point that the tornadoes are not worse than before due to global warming and that's all I was trying to do Bitsy.

You can't support it, Campy, or you would. Remember I know your posting MO. You popped off once again, and now instead of saying mea culpa you are weaseling again.

You haven't proven anything other than you don't the difference in a tornado and a hurricane.
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Oct 18 2013, 12:06 PM
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You can't support it, Campy, or you would. Remember I know your posting MO. You popped off once again, and now instead of saying mea culpa you are weaseling again.

You haven't proven anything other than you don't the difference in a tornado and a hurricane.
I have proved my point that the storms are not worse now than before global warming.

Anything else you want to know now that you are clutching at straws.

I can give you a list of hurricanes that Sandy didn't make the top ten.

But will you give up? Never. Just keep pounding away at every nook and cranny to try to justify the statement made that the storms are worse now than before and anyone in their right mind would know the difference if they looked it up and I know you have looked it up or you wouldn't keep browbeating.
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Oct 18 2013, 12:13 PM
Anything else you want to know now that you are clutching at straws.



I can give you a list of hurricanes that Sandy didn't make the top ten.

Yes, show my your source that says Sandy wasn't in the US top 10 hurricanes.

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But will you give up? Never. Just keep pounding away at every nook and cranny to try to justify the statement made that the storms are worse now than before and anyone in their right mind would know the difference if they looked it up and I know you have looked it up or you wouldn't keep browbeating.

I did not say that "storms are worse" and I never said "anyone in their right mind would know the difference if they looked it up". are you having these conversations with someone in your head because they certainly aren't with me.

If you call correcting misinformation and seeking the truth browbeating, I am guilty. Our members deserve the facts not misinformation.
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Uh, I was talking about hurricanes, not tornadoes, and the genesis of each isn't identical. The scientific community doesn't think climate change has influenced tornado activity in the US. Tornadoes require energy and wind shear, and while climate change will provide more energy, it lessens wind shear. Hurricanes, on the other hand, don't require wind shear.

You might also consider that, while the southern US and the gulf coast frequently see hurricanes, New York City doesn't. It may get the remnant of hurricanes, but not full-blown ones.

Here's an interesting discussion about climate change and storms: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/05/22/the-real-climate-change-lesson-from-the-oklahoma-tornado.html
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Oct 18 2013, 12:22 PM
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Oct 18 2013, 12:13 PM
Anything else you want to know now that you are clutching at straws.



I can give you a list of hurricanes that Sandy didn't make the top ten.

Yes, show my your source that says Sandy wasn't in the US top 10 hurricanes.

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But will you give up? Never. Just keep pounding away at every nook and cranny to try to justify the statement made that the storms are worse now than before and anyone in their right mind would know the difference if they looked it up and I know you have looked it up or you wouldn't keep browbeating.

I did not say that "storms are worse" and I never said "anyone in their right mind would know the difference if they looked it up". are you having these conversations with someone in your head because they certainly aren't with me.

If you call correcting misinformation and seeking the truth browbeating, I am guilty. Our members deserve the facts not misinformation.
Oh for crap's sakes Bitsy. Get off your high horse and come down to Earth. You are now arguing for arguings sake.

Here.

http://www.esri.com/services/disaster-response/hurricanes/top-ten-hurricanes

And that's in the U.S. We are talking about global warming.

I wonder what you're going to come up with now?


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Oct 18 2013, 12:31 PM
Uh, I was talking about hurricanes, not tornadoes, and the genesis of each isn't identical. The scientific community doesn't think climate change has influenced tornado activity in the US. Tornadoes require energy and wind shear, and while climate change will provide more energy, it lessens wind shear. Hurricanes, on the other hand, don't require wind shear.

You might also consider that, while the southern US and the gulf coast frequently see hurricanes, New York City doesn't. It may get the remnant of hurricanes, but not full-blown ones.

Here's an interesting discussion about climate change and storms: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/05/22/the-real-climate-change-lesson-from-the-oklahoma-tornado.html
Your point has been refuted.

The recent storms, hurricanes, tornadoes or whatever you want to call them are no worse than before.

People try to blame global warming on everything even if there is no proven connection.

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Oct 18 2013, 12:37 PM
Here.

http://www.esri.com/services/disaster-response/hurricanes/top-ten-hurricanes

And that's in the U.S. We are talking about global warming.

I wonder what you're going to come up with now?


Thanks for the link, Campy, it cleared up very little for me as to where Sandy ranks except I now know where you got your information and I appreciate that. Time would have been saved if you had only provided it when you made your statement or at least when I first asked. I was unable to find the criteria they used for the rankings, deaths, dollars, or adjusted dollars.

The Great Miami Hurricane - 1926
Hurricane Katrina - 2005
1900 Galveston Hurricane
1915 Galveston Hurricane
Hurricane Andrew - 1992
The Great New England Hurricane - 1938
Cuba-Florida Hurricane - 1944
Lake Okeechobee Hurricane - 1928
Hurricane Donna - 1960
Hurricane Camille - 1969

Costliest hurricanes, in constant 2010 dollars
1. Katrina, 2005, $105.8 billion
2. Sandy, 2012 $50 billion (est.)
3. Andrew, 1992, $45.6 billion
4. Ike, 2008, $27.8 billion
5. Wilma, 2005, $20.6 billion
6. Ivan, 2004, $19.8 billion
7. Charley, 2004, $15.8 billion
8. Irene, 2011, $15.8 billion
9. Hugo, 1989, $9.7 billion
10. Rita, 2005, $11.8 billion

Costliest hurricanes, adjusted for inflation, population, and housing
1. Southeast Florida, 1926, $164.8 billion
2. Katrina, 2005, $113.4 billion
3. Galveston, 1900, $104 billion
4. Galveston, 1915, $71.4 billion*
5. Andrew, 1992, $58.6 billion
6. Sandy, 2012, $50 billion (est.)
7. New England, 1938, $41.1 billion
8. Southwest Florida, 1944, $40.6 billion
9. Southeast Florida/Lake Okeechobee, 1928, $35.3 billion
10. Ike, 2008, $29.5 billion
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Well naturally the more current ones would be more costly because of inflation, insurance, and infrastructure.

The point is.

The modern ones are no worst that the older ones.

The point is being made about hurricanes being worst due to global warming.

And if we are talking world wide hurricanes because that's what global warming is all about then it shows up even more that the old ones are just as bad as the new ones.


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Campy it does say adjusted for inflation, population and housing.
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Oct 19 2013, 03:50 AM
Campy it does say adjusted for inflation, population and housing.
Aaargh!

All the world wide ones Fuzzy O or just the ones in the U.S.

Can I tell you one more time?

We are talking about global warming and global hurricanes.

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Oct 18 2013, 12:37 PM
You are now arguing for arguings sake.

Pot meet kettle.
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Oct 18 2013, 12:38 PM
Your point has been refuted.
Which point? That you like to argue for the sake of arguing?
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