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| Deleted User | Aug 22 2013, 06:51 PM Post #1 |
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| Bitsy | Oct 18 2013, 11:54 AM Post #46 |
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FuzzyO, Campy seems to be confused about the difference in a hurricane and a tornado. Not sure if he knows if Sandy was a tornado or a hurricane. |
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| campy | Oct 18 2013, 11:58 AM Post #47 |
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I can support them but I am not going to bother. I think I proved my point that the tornadoes are not worse than before due to global warming and that's all I was trying to do Bitsy. |
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| campy | Oct 18 2013, 12:03 PM Post #48 |
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Does it matter? They are both damaging windstorms. One is isolated and the other is travelling. Sandy qualifies for neither worst tornado or worst hurricane in the top ten and the point made was that these storms are getting worse due to global warming. I think that's bullshit and I proved it. Edited by campy, Oct 18 2013, 12:05 PM.
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| Bitsy | Oct 18 2013, 12:06 PM Post #49 |
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You can't support it, Campy, or you would. Remember I know your posting MO. You popped off once again, and now instead of saying mea culpa you are weaseling again. You haven't proven anything other than you don't the difference in a tornado and a hurricane. Edited by Bitsy, Oct 18 2013, 12:08 PM.
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| campy | Oct 18 2013, 12:13 PM Post #50 |
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I have proved my point that the storms are not worse now than before global warming. Anything else you want to know now that you are clutching at straws. I can give you a list of hurricanes that Sandy didn't make the top ten. But will you give up? Never. Just keep pounding away at every nook and cranny to try to justify the statement made that the storms are worse now than before and anyone in their right mind would know the difference if they looked it up and I know you have looked it up or you wouldn't keep browbeating. |
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| Bitsy | Oct 18 2013, 12:22 PM Post #51 |
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Yes, show my your source that says Sandy wasn't in the US top 10 hurricanes.
I did not say that "storms are worse" and I never said "anyone in their right mind would know the difference if they looked it up". are you having these conversations with someone in your head because they certainly aren't with me. If you call correcting misinformation and seeking the truth browbeating, I am guilty. Our members deserve the facts not misinformation. |
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| drivera462 | Oct 18 2013, 12:31 PM Post #52 |
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Uh, I was talking about hurricanes, not tornadoes, and the genesis of each isn't identical. The scientific community doesn't think climate change has influenced tornado activity in the US. Tornadoes require energy and wind shear, and while climate change will provide more energy, it lessens wind shear. Hurricanes, on the other hand, don't require wind shear. You might also consider that, while the southern US and the gulf coast frequently see hurricanes, New York City doesn't. It may get the remnant of hurricanes, but not full-blown ones. Here's an interesting discussion about climate change and storms: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/05/22/the-real-climate-change-lesson-from-the-oklahoma-tornado.html |
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| campy | Oct 18 2013, 12:37 PM Post #53 |
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Oh for crap's sakes Bitsy. Get off your high horse and come down to Earth. You are now arguing for arguings sake. Here. http://www.esri.com/services/disaster-response/hurricanes/top-ten-hurricanes And that's in the U.S. We are talking about global warming. I wonder what you're going to come up with now? |
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| campy | Oct 18 2013, 12:38 PM Post #54 |
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Your point has been refuted. The recent storms, hurricanes, tornadoes or whatever you want to call them are no worse than before. People try to blame global warming on everything even if there is no proven connection. |
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| Bitsy | Oct 19 2013, 03:37 AM Post #55 |
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Thanks for the link, Campy, it cleared up very little for me as to where Sandy ranks except I now know where you got your information and I appreciate that. Time would have been saved if you had only provided it when you made your statement or at least when I first asked. I was unable to find the criteria they used for the rankings, deaths, dollars, or adjusted dollars. The Great Miami Hurricane - 1926 Hurricane Katrina - 2005 1900 Galveston Hurricane 1915 Galveston Hurricane Hurricane Andrew - 1992 The Great New England Hurricane - 1938 Cuba-Florida Hurricane - 1944 Lake Okeechobee Hurricane - 1928 Hurricane Donna - 1960 Hurricane Camille - 1969 Costliest hurricanes, in constant 2010 dollars 1. Katrina, 2005, $105.8 billion 2. Sandy, 2012 $50 billion (est.) 3. Andrew, 1992, $45.6 billion 4. Ike, 2008, $27.8 billion 5. Wilma, 2005, $20.6 billion 6. Ivan, 2004, $19.8 billion 7. Charley, 2004, $15.8 billion 8. Irene, 2011, $15.8 billion 9. Hugo, 1989, $9.7 billion 10. Rita, 2005, $11.8 billion Costliest hurricanes, adjusted for inflation, population, and housing 1. Southeast Florida, 1926, $164.8 billion 2. Katrina, 2005, $113.4 billion 3. Galveston, 1900, $104 billion 4. Galveston, 1915, $71.4 billion* 5. Andrew, 1992, $58.6 billion 6. Sandy, 2012, $50 billion (est.) 7. New England, 1938, $41.1 billion 8. Southwest Florida, 1944, $40.6 billion 9. Southeast Florida/Lake Okeechobee, 1928, $35.3 billion 10. Ike, 2008, $29.5 billion |
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| campy | Oct 19 2013, 03:47 AM Post #56 |
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Well naturally the more current ones would be more costly because of inflation, insurance, and infrastructure. The point is. The modern ones are no worst that the older ones. The point is being made about hurricanes being worst due to global warming. And if we are talking world wide hurricanes because that's what global warming is all about then it shows up even more that the old ones are just as bad as the new ones. |
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| FuzzyO | Oct 19 2013, 03:50 AM Post #57 |
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Campy it does say adjusted for inflation, population and housing. |
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| campy | Oct 19 2013, 04:11 AM Post #58 |
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Aaargh! All the world wide ones Fuzzy O or just the ones in the U.S. Can I tell you one more time? We are talking about global warming and global hurricanes. |
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| drivera462 | Oct 19 2013, 09:18 AM Post #59 |
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Pot meet kettle. |
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| drivera462 | Oct 19 2013, 09:23 AM Post #60 |
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Which point? That you like to argue for the sake of arguing? |
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