Cell Phone Company PR campaign

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Cell Phone Company PR campaign
Topic Started: Sep 1 2013, 05:04 PM (1,013 Views)
Daniel	Sep 1 2013, 05:04 PM Post #1
Small Star Member Posts: 902 Group: Member Member #759 Joined: May 9, 2010	Has anybody seen, heard or read those commercials and ads by FairforCanada against the CRTC rules and allowing Verizon to come to Canada? Here's a website describing the cell phone companies as whiners: https://whatthemarketersaw.wordpress.com/2013/08/09/marketing-commentary-fairforcanada-ca-radio-campaign-a-review-of-weak-marketing-arguments/ Here's a website describing the FairforCanada.ca is hosted by Microsoft - a US company. http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php/1808302-FairForCanada-ca-hosted-in-the-United-States Check out the parody on YouTube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC0uMKXsVM4 Maybe Rogers can explain how ING Direct or PC Financial with their higher interest rates and non-existent service charges brought down the big six banks. Edited by Daniel, Sep 1 2013, 05:06 PM.



Delphi51	Sep 1 2013, 07:01 PM Post #2
Member title Posts: 13,967 Group: Administration Member #441 Joined: October 10, 2006	They are so funny. How can they think prices will rise for consumers while their market share is reduced? Obviously Verizon would have to offer customers a better deal to take away their market share. Or maybe just be nicer!



Darcie	Sep 2 2013, 12:26 AM Post #3
Skeptic Posts: 31,154 Group: Member Member #714 Joined: March 30, 2010	These big companies sure don't want anyone to cut into their profits. The figure that competition will drive the prices up, maybe we should abandon capitalism.



Daniel	Sep 2 2013, 04:34 AM Post #4
Small Star Member Posts: 902 Group: Member Member #759 Joined: May 9, 2010	When the touch tone service fee and the system access fee are gone, I'll start to give some sympathy for these telco giants.



Daniel	Sep 2 2013, 04:53 AM Post #5
Small Star Member Posts: 902 Group: Member Member #759 Joined: May 9, 2010	On top of these CRTC requirements http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2013/06/03/business-crtc-wireless.html Quote: ...The new code will allow consumers to: Terminate their wireless contracts after two years without cancellation fees, even if they have signed on for a longer term. Cap extra data charges at $50 a month and international data roaming charges at $100 a month to prevent bill shock. Have their cellphones unlocked after 90 days, or immediately if they paid for the device in full. Return their cellphones, within 15 days and specific usage limits, if they are unhappy with their service. Accept or decline changes to the key terms of a fixed-term contract (i.e., two-year), and receive a contract that is easy to read and understand. ... I would also require warning when roaming is about to begin pop up options to select services that are within range including "none" text messaging from a PC to any Canadian cell phone;



Dialtone	Sep 2 2013, 05:04 AM Post #6
Gold Star Member Posts: 7,190 Group: Member Member #721 Joined: April 1, 2010	A level playing field is all that is asked by the Canadian Telcos. Verizon is 4 times bigger than Bell, Rogers, Telus, and all the rest combined. The government will force Canadian Telcos to allow Verizon onto their networks, Verizon won't have to spend a dime on actually building infrastructure that Canadian companies have already spent billions providing. Canadian companies aren't given the same deal in the US, or even close.. no American company is going to allow a competitor to piggyback on their infrastructure.. why would they ?.. and yet Canadian companies are expected to allow this American giant total access to their network so they can compete.. total BS. Check the rates in the US, Canada is already competitive, but you can be sure Canadian jobs will be lost if Verizon is allowed to come here. Even the Unions are against Verizon coming here.. http://www.citynews.ca/2013/08/30/unions-rally-against-verizon-in-downtown-toronto/ Edited by Dialtone, Sep 2 2013, 05:30 AM.



Daniel	Sep 2 2013, 05:48 AM Post #7
Small Star Member Posts: 902 Group: Member Member #759 Joined: May 9, 2010	Dialtone Sep 2 2013, 05:04 AM A level playing field is all that is asked by the Canadian Telcos....The government will force Canadian Telcos to allow Verizon onto their networks, Verizon won't have to spend a dime on actually building infrastructure that Canadian companies have already spent billions providing.... Are we to expect these Telcos to start speaking out against the sale of infrastructure that has been built by Canadian Taxpayer funding and then sold off at fire-sale prices to corporations in the name of privatization?



Darcie	Sep 2 2013, 05:51 AM Post #8
Skeptic Posts: 31,154 Group: Member Member #714 Joined: March 30, 2010	Daniel Sep 2 2013, 05:48 AM Dialtone Sep 2 2013, 05:04 AM A level playing field is all that is asked by the Canadian Telcos....The government will force Canadian Telcos to allow Verizon onto their networks, Verizon won't have to spend a dime on actually building infrastructure that Canadian companies have already spent billions providing.... Are we to expect these Telcos to start speaking out against the sale of infrastructure that has been built by Canadian Taxpayer funding and then sold off at fire-sale prices to corporations in the name of privatization? 023



Delphi51	Sep 2 2013, 06:03 AM Post #9
Member title Posts: 13,967 Group: Administration Member #441 Joined: October 10, 2006	Most interesting, DT. Do you mean Verizon could use Telus towers at no charge? Certainly Rogers cannot use Telus towers without charge. Is this the sweetheart deal "new" companies get? If so, why don't we see the little new companies, like the one Verizon may buy, offering services across the country? You would think they could make lots to money serving the whole country with no costs. It just doesn't add up to me. I think I read that the sweet deal for the new telcos is that they may bid for more new frequencies (formerly used by analog TV) than the established companies who have lots of frequencies. But they have to build their own towers to use those frequencies and any use of other companies' infrastructure incurs high roaming charges. That's why the little telcos only operate in southern Ontario now. Now the alternative companies owned by Telus, Bell and Rogers appear to offer considerably better deals. I use Speakout which rents from Rogers and it has quite a few advantages like no monthly fee for phoning, unlimited Internet use for $10 a month. That little bit of choice is sure nice. Why on Earth were they allowed to llock these expensive smartphones so you have to throw it away if you choose to switch carriers after paying for it over three years? Edited by Delphi51, Sep 2 2013, 06:55 AM.



Darcie	Sep 2 2013, 06:14 AM Post #10
Skeptic Posts: 31,154 Group: Member Member #714 Joined: March 30, 2010	This is one time I am in favour of what the Harper government is doing by putting in some competition. I remember when the government let in competition against Bell, the prices went down drastically, and Bell had to lower their prices as well. Unfortunately with the lowering of prices Bell let go of many workers, they sure did not want to have salaries cut into their profit margin.



Dialtone	Sep 2 2013, 06:43 AM Post #11
Gold Star Member Posts: 7,190 Group: Member Member #721 Joined: April 1, 2010	If Verizon comes to Canada, it won't have to spend a dime on infrastructure, it will be allowed to piggyback on existing Telco networks. Our Telcos spend billions, provide thousands of jobs, and provide services to the far reaches of the country. Unlike Daniel , I will provide a few links to provide proof that the Telcos aren't just squirreling away their profits, they give back to the community in Canada.. unlike Verizon which will just take and redeposit in the US. Just a few of many upgrades Telus is involved with , Bell, Rogers, are much the same. http://www.bcbusiness.ca/tech-science/telus-to-spend-1-billion-on-bc-infrastructure-in-2013 http://business.financialpost.com/2012/05/03/telus-to-invest-2-billion-in-alberta-tech-infrastructure/ http://www.edmontonjournal.com/Telus+spend+million+infrastructure+Edmonton+region/8440452/story.html http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/telus-to-spend-840-million-on-quebec-infrastructure/article4228256/ Some interesting reading on the subject. http://blog.telus.com/public-policy/the-gift-of-verizon/ Some here are more interested on the Me, Myself & I, don't care about job losses, don't care about the money that will be syphoned out of the county, and don't appear to have any focus on the big picture. Hypocritical socialists IMO. Edited by Dialtone, Sep 2 2013, 06:53 AM.



Delphi51	Sep 2 2013, 07:01 AM Post #12
Member title Posts: 13,967 Group: Administration Member #441 Joined: October 10, 2006	Dialtone do you have a link supporting the idea that Wind Mobile gets free use of Bell and Telus infrastructure? All I can find is the bit about frequencies; Quote: Despite that, Canada's big three telecoms � Rogers, Bell and Telus � have cried foul to the notion of the American giant entering Canada's wireless market this way, as these smaller companies had been given an advantage in the periodic auctions for wireless spectrum in an attempt by Ottawa to boost competition and hopefully drive down prices for consumers. Verizon's bid comes after the federal government made changes in 2012 to the telecommunications rules that allowed foreign entities to enter the Canadian sector, albeit with certain limitations. Canada's telecoms are concerned that if Verizon were to take over one of the "new entrants," it would qualify for special status at an upcoming auction of lucrative broadband spectrum, which is what allows wireless providers to expand their networks. Two blocks of spectrum have been set aside for new entrants. And Bell's argument is that because the big three are prohibited from bidding on these blocks, they are likely to be sold at a lower price. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2013/07/26/f-verizon-wireless-spectrum-canada.html



wildie	Sep 2 2013, 09:57 AM Post #13
Veteran Member Posts: 12,173 Group: Member Member #442 Joined: October 11, 2006	Without proof, I'm inclined to think that although Verison will be allowed to piggy back on established carriers, I would think that Verison would have to pay for the use of. For example, Virgin and Fido use use Bell and Rogers facilities and do pay for the privilege. When I was employed in the Telcom industry, my employer went to great lengths to make sure that we employee's understood that more money was to be made from wholesaleing than by retailing to the public. Its a fact that the present carriers enjoy a monopoly position and this must be ended. To attract some real competition, the CRTC has set a policy that will do that. It will very likely do so, as is indicated by the squealing of the big boys.



Darcie	Sep 2 2013, 10:38 AM Post #14
Skeptic Posts: 31,154 Group: Member Member #714 Joined: March 30, 2010	Are these companies private or do they trade on the exchange?



wildie	Sep 2 2013, 10:56 AM Post #15
Veteran Member Posts: 12,173 Group: Member Member #442 Joined: October 11, 2006	Darcie Sep 2 2013, 10:38 AM Are these companies private or do they trade on the exchange? I believe that they are private. Just a guess, on my part!



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