Scientists Crack A 50-Year-Old Mystery About The Measles Vaccine May 07, 2015 8:58 PM ET

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Scientists Crack A 50-Year-Old Mystery About The Measles Vaccine May 07, 2015 8:58 PM ET
Topic Started: May 9 2015, 06:57 AM (635 Views)
Darcie	May 9 2015, 06:57 AM Post #1
Skeptic Posts: 31,154 Group: Member Member #714 Joined: March 30, 2010	Quote: Back in the 1960s, the U.S. started vaccinating kids for measles. As expected, children stopped getting measles. But something else happened. Childhood deaths from all infectious diseases plummeted. Even deaths from diseases like pneumonia and diarrhea were cut by half. http://www.npr.org/blogs/goatsandsoda/2015/05/07/404963436/scientists-crack-a-50-year-old-mystery-about-the-measles-vaccine?utm_ Interesting information.



heatseeker	May 9 2015, 07:21 AM Post #2
Veteran Member Posts: 10,320 Group: Member Member #713 Joined: March 30, 2010	Oooh, I'm not getting my kids vaccinated. It is all a plot by big government to implant stuff in us so we can be controlled by black helicopters. Live free or die, kids.



Kahu	May 9 2015, 02:05 PM Post #3
Posts: 31,109 Group: Administration Member #150 Joined: December 14, 2005	An interesting idea Darcie. We've got to get the shingles jab next week and it's not one on the free oldies list here. At NZ$270 each I think it's worth it.



Darcie	May 9 2015, 02:26 PM Post #4
Skeptic Posts: 31,154 Group: Member Member #714 Joined: March 30, 2010	I suggest you do Kahu, I didn't and ended up with shingles near my left eye. Had to be on an anti viral and go to the eye specialist 4 times in 10 days. I eventually will get mine as well after we figure out a few things.



campy	May 9 2015, 06:26 PM Post #5
Handyman Extraordinaire Posts: 28,720 Group: no politics Member #204 Joined: February 2, 2006	Are shingles that common? What causes the chicken pox virus to erupt. We all carry it if we had the virus previously. You can't get shingles from shingles if you have had chicken pox. It seems to be an older persons problem probably because our immune system is weaker? Edited by campy, May 9 2015, 06:35 PM.



Trotsky	May 10 2015, 01:31 AM Post #6
Big City Boy Posts: 38,319 Group: Member Member #79 Joined: September 8, 2005	Quote: Back in the 1960s, the U.S. started vaccinating kids for measles and this clearly caused the Vietnam War. <cause and effect can be illusory laugh123 > Quote: Are shingles that common? Common enough for me to have had it The immune system slowly loses its immunity to varicella (Chicken Pox virus) that is usually not completely killed off but hides in nerve cells. When immunity is low enough, the virus multiplies and migrates up these nerves to the skin and the result is shingles. A good rule of thumb is that immunity to the virus lasts about 40-50 years in the majority of people. My case (1990) was almost exactly 40 years after my chicken pox...I hope that means I am safe from another case til 2030. Quote: You can't get shingles from shingles if you have had chicken pox. Correct, the determinant of infection is the state of the immune system. BUT the rare person who has not had chicken pox CAN get chicken pox from someone with shingles...the blisters weep and I imagine are HIGHLY infective. What are the consequences of a 50 or 60 year old contracting chicken pox? We may soon find out. I firmly believe that immunizing children against the myriad diseases that have tested our immune systems for the 10 million year of genus Homo's existence, will have unforeseen consequences and these consequences will likely be horrific. And then we will have to listen to the inevitable chorus of the well-wishing dimwits "OH God, HOW were we to KNOW?" Someone brilliant once said: "Don't FUCK with Mother Nature." Eventually she WILL get really pissed off. Edited by Trotsky, May 10 2015, 01:53 AM.



Darcie	May 10 2015, 01:56 AM Post #7
Skeptic Posts: 31,154 Group: Member Member #714 Joined: March 30, 2010	Someone brilliant once said: "Don't FUCK with Mother Nature." Eventually she WILL get really pissed off. Trotsky, for me at least Fucking with Mother Nature many times has allowed me to be here at 77 and be a lot better than many younger than I.



Trotsky	May 10 2015, 02:28 AM Post #8
Big City Boy Posts: 38,319 Group: Member Member #79 Joined: September 8, 2005	Darcie May 10 2015, 01:56 AM Someone brilliant once said: "Don't FUCK with Mother Nature." Eventually she WILL get really pissed off. Trotsky, for me at least Fucking with Mother Nature many times has allowed me to be here at 77 and be a lot better than many younger than I. But I'll bet you had measles, mumps, chicken pox, strep infections, Rubella, perhaps yeast infections, various unnamed rashes, right? Who is to say that eliminating them all would have you here at 77? You have read that the next generation expected to be the first in centuries not to live longer than the last, right? Most say it's because they are too fat, but that's just a guess as good as any other. Edited by Trotsky, May 10 2015, 02:31 AM.



Darcie	May 10 2015, 02:46 AM Post #9
Skeptic Posts: 31,154 Group: Member Member #714 Joined: March 30, 2010	Trotsky, if it ain't happened who is to know? Either side it is a wild guess. I did have all the vaccines and so did my children and grandchildren etc. Keeping my fingers crossed but none have been maimed as my cousin was because his mom would not get him the polio vaccine. My three kids had major interventions because I was RH negative and they were positive. Am talking about all types of interventions.



campy	May 10 2015, 10:49 AM Post #10
Handyman Extraordinaire Posts: 28,720 Group: no politics Member #204 Joined: February 2, 2006	Come off it Trotsky. All the pills you take is not Mother Natures remedies. Long life is not one of Mother Natures priorities. Spawn and die is her priority.



FuzzyO	May 10 2015, 11:15 AM Post #11
Posts: 16,968 Group: Administration Member #710 Joined: March 30, 2010	If you've had chicken pox you certainly can get shingles, in fact to get shingles you have to have had chicken pox.



campy	May 10 2015, 11:20 AM Post #12
Handyman Extraordinaire Posts: 28,720 Group: no politics Member #204 Joined: February 2, 2006	FuzzyO May 10 2015, 11:15 AM If you've had chicken pox you certainly can get shingles, in fact to get shingles you have to have had chicken pox. Yes we know but if you had chicken pox you can't get shingles from shingles. Only if you never had chicken pox can you get shingles from an infected person.



FuzzyO	May 10 2015, 11:27 AM Post #13
Posts: 16,968 Group: Administration Member #710 Joined: March 30, 2010	Shingles is much less contagious. Most of us did have chicken pox though, so the vaccination is a good idea.



Darcie	May 10 2015, 11:28 AM Post #14
Skeptic Posts: 31,154 Group: Member Member #714 Joined: March 30, 2010	I have over active T cells, this occurred in 1986 after I got a long term accidental carbon monoxide intoxication. After many investigations no one knows why, but one good side effect is that I haven't had the flu or a cold since. One more year and it will be 30 years, who knows if it will last or not.



campy	May 10 2015, 12:07 PM Post #15
Handyman Extraordinaire Posts: 28,720 Group: no politics Member #204 Joined: February 2, 2006	FuzzyO May 10 2015, 11:27 AM Shingles is much less contagious. Most of us did have chicken pox though, so the vaccination is a good idea. It's not covered by OHIP. Too rich for my blood.



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