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| Topic Started: Nov 10 2015, 04:12 PM (985 Views) | |
| Darcie | Nov 10 2015, 04:12 PM Post #1 |
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Federal Court judge under review for berating sex assault complainant
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-judge-judical-review-robin-camp-1.3311574?cmp=rss&cid=news-digests-edmonton This is unbelievable. |
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| Durgan | Nov 10 2015, 10:24 PM Post #2 |
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It would sure be informative to hear all the evidence and the situation. Must have been some house party? Was the judge a female? |
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| heatseeker | Nov 11 2015, 12:33 AM Post #3 |
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The judge is grovelling and has signed up for what amounts to sensitivity training. Lord leapin Jesus. This is the sort of stuff one usually learns by, say, the end of kindergarten. I wonder how he got appointed. |
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| Durgan | Nov 11 2015, 12:43 AM Post #4 |
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Not sensitivity training. Political correct training. The event appears to be bullshit from where I sit. |
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| FuzzyO | Nov 11 2015, 12:58 AM Post #5 |
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Which event Durgan? The one where the judge refused to apply current legal rules? |
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| Durgan | Nov 11 2015, 01:16 AM Post #6 |
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The event of the sexual activity in the washroom in a private house at a people party is to what I refer. The type of sexual activity, which is surmised, is even awkward if not difficult with two willing participants. The judge's comments certainly were insensitive in a public forum like a court, since such activity is generally not undertaken by most people except surreptitiously.Also we live in a society in Canada where sex is generally considered a private matter. The activity as slightly described certainly doesn't shock or affront my dignity. |
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| Trotsky | Nov 11 2015, 01:26 AM Post #7 |
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Are we to go back to the standards that often applied throughout most of the 20th Century. If a woman said she was raped, the man was convicted, no questions asked? The judge quizzed the woman and this high tribunal will determine if he was allowed to do so rather than just taking her word for what happened. Edited by Trotsky, Nov 11 2015, 01:27 AM.
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| FuzzyO | Nov 11 2015, 01:26 AM Post #8 |
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I think you are missing the point. As long as both parties are willing they can have at it wherever they choose although under certain circumstances they run the risk of censure. This was a rape case. Where it occurred doesn't come into it. The judge suggesting that she could have prevented it by overpowering or resisting a male who bested her by over a 100 lbs. is the problem. |
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| Trotsky | Nov 11 2015, 01:39 AM Post #9 |
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Correct, this was rape case, but that does not necessarily mean it was a case of rape. That is what the judge was trying to find out. Why no mention of how the defense was proceeding? Can we presume they were alleging consensual sex? Can we make any logical presumptions about a woman and a man entering a bathroom together? A woman must consent to sex but withholding consent AFTER the fact, perhaps when guilt sets in, occurs too often to be ignored. If this woman's charge is upheld, the man's life will be destroyed worse than if he was found guilty of actually KILLING her. In this case, is it unreasonable for her to be subjected to some difficult questions before the man gets locked up and forever branded a sexual offender (and hence no work again, ever.) I don't think we really have enough information to go on. If in fact the woman is lying and the judge uncovers that lie through tough questioning, is the judge still guilty because he was insensitive to "the little lady." Edited by Trotsky, Nov 11 2015, 01:44 AM.
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| margrace | Nov 11 2015, 01:40 AM Post #10 |
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Back to why women asked for it the old argument. Men just don't get it. |
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| Trotsky | Nov 11 2015, 01:45 AM Post #11 |
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Perhaps because too many women lie about their being raped. Bringing charges like this has too readily put the entire burden of proof on the man. It should be shared equally and in the courtroom the woman should not be treated any gentler than the guy is. Is the jury finding totally irrelevant here:
The jury heard ALL the evidence, unlike we who must deal with just a couple slanted newspaper snippets. I guess Alberta has no protections from double jeopardy so the province will torture this guy all over again. If some uber judges think this judge needs to be removed or even imprisoned, let them get rid of him, but not at the expense of some guy whom a jury of his peers found he had consentual sex and the complaining woman lied. Edited by Trotsky, Nov 11 2015, 02:02 AM.
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| FuzzyO | Nov 11 2015, 02:00 AM Post #12 |
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I think double jeopardy has limited application; otherwise no cdecision would ever be overturned. |
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| Bitsy | Nov 11 2015, 02:03 AM Post #13 |
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Trotsky, I need to refresh my memory as I do not recall rape trials being slam dunks for the women, except if the accused was black. |
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| Trotsky | Nov 11 2015, 02:04 AM Post #14 |
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The 72 signatories and 166 parties to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights recognise, under Article 14 (7): No one shall be liable to be tried or punished again for an offence for which he has already been finally convicted or acquitted in accordance with the law and penal procedure of each country. Edited by Trotsky, Nov 11 2015, 02:04 AM.
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| FuzzyO | Nov 11 2015, 02:10 AM Post #15 |
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http://law.ucalgary.ca/aggregator/sources/1?mini=calendar/2012/04/all
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