Couldn't you just keep your knees together?

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Couldn't you just keep your knees together?
Topic Started: Nov 10 2015, 04:12 PM (990 Views)
Darcie	Nov 10 2015, 04:12 PM Post #1
Skeptic Posts: 31,154 Group: Member Member #714 Joined: March 30, 2010	Federal Court judge under review for berating sex assault complainant Quote: The Canadian Judicial Council is reviewing the conduct of a Federal Court judge who questioned the efforts of a sexual assault complainant to fend off her attacker. The council announced Monday it will review the behaviour of Robin Camp during a 2014 case he adjudicated while serving as an Alberta Provincial Court judge. The case involved the alleged rape of a 19-year-old woman by a Calgary man, whom she accused of sexually assaulting her over a bathroom sink during a house party. Peter MacKay's friends, colleagues make up 6 of 9 judge appointees Ontario attorney general, Quebec justice minister take swipe at Peter MacKay Peter MacKay skipping Canadian Bar Association's annual conference The review comes after a complaint from four law professors at Dalhousie University and the University of Calgary who described Camp as "dismissive, if not contemptuous" toward sexual assault laws and the rules of evidence. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-judge-judical-review-robin-camp-1.3311574?cmp=rss&cid=news-digests-edmonton This is unbelievable.

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campy	Nov 11 2015, 06:27 AM Post #31
Handyman Extraordinaire Posts: 28,720 Group: no politics Member #204 Joined: February 2, 2006	Trotsky Nov 11 2015, 06:23 AM campy Nov 11 2015, 06:14 AM I think she did keep her knees together. Over a sink? How could you do otherwise.? I took it as an attack from the rear with her bent over the sink. I cannot imagine SITTING in the sink with the faucet trying to wedge apart two vertebra. I took it the same way Trotsky. I don't know the details but the dumb judge said why couldn't you sink your behind into the sink so he couldn't get at you? The more I read, the more disappointed I become in what are supposed to be intelligent people.



Trotsky	Nov 11 2015, 06:34 AM Post #32
Big City Boy Posts: 38,319 Group: Member Member #79 Joined: September 8, 2005	Here's the kind of thinking that gets my goat: I once heard Betty Friedan say "Pornography is the same as RAPE." I take this kind of stuff as hyperbole and metaphor but then this bullshit thinking gets written into LAW. Pornography is NOT the same as rape, nor is a pat on the ass, or a successful seduction the same as rape. When a woman goes into a bathroom with a man at a party she can not claim believably that was her way of saying NO. Was she expecting they were going to innocently PEE together? And if a judge asks her WHY she went into the toilet with him, that judge is NOT assaulting her, even if Betty Friedan might say so. Edited by Trotsky, Nov 11 2015, 06:36 AM.



haili	Nov 11 2015, 07:56 AM Post #33
Gold Star Member Posts: 7,084 Group: Member Member #387 Joined: September 15, 2006	Do we know that the woman went into the bathroom with the man? Maybe she was in there already and he came in after her. We don't know what happened until we hear all the facts.



campy	Nov 11 2015, 09:31 AM Post #34
Handyman Extraordinaire Posts: 28,720 Group: no politics Member #204 Joined: February 2, 2006	haili Nov 11 2015, 07:56 AM Do we know that the woman went into the bathroom with the man? Maybe she was in there already and he came in after her. We don't know what happened until we hear all the facts. We do know there was drinking involved. The Crown argued that the accused failed to take reasonable steps to ensure the complainant was consenting, which he had a heightened duty to do because she was intoxicated at the time (see section 273.2(b) of the Criminal Code) .



Durgan	Nov 11 2015, 09:32 AM Post #35
Veteran Member Posts: 13,273 Group: Gardening Guru Member #720 Joined: March 31, 2010	With the present state of agitation by society a man is presumed guilty when accused of rape,sexual harassment, or assault when accused by a woman. When in court the defendant is handicapped by this assumption and is inhibited from asking questions about the event. It might upset the alleged victim.All women are not sugar and spice and everything nice. Some women have the bit in the teeth and don't want to listen to reason.Michele Landsberg used to lead the yapping pack. Her columns dripped with unfair vitriol. All men practically had a knife in one hand and their cock in the other, salivating for sex. Sorry girls it is not so.



campy	Nov 11 2015, 09:40 AM Post #36
Handyman Extraordinaire Posts: 28,720 Group: no politics Member #204 Joined: February 2, 2006	The way it is set up now even a prostitute can cry rape even if the guy paid in advance.



Darcie	Nov 11 2015, 11:15 AM Post #37
Skeptic Posts: 31,154 Group: Member Member #714 Joined: March 30, 2010	campy Nov 11 2015, 09:40 AM The way it is set up now even a prostitute can cry rape even if the guy paid in advance. Yep and a guy can rape a prostitute and say he paid her when he didn't. Believe or not a prostitute can be raped, she just has to say no.



Olive Oil	Nov 12 2015, 06:12 AM Post #38
Gold Star Member Posts: 4,747 Group: Member Member #785 Joined: June 10, 2010	No matter how we personally distinguish rape from consent, this judge has to follow the law as it pertains to this matter. It is not his job to lecture or degrade this women. When she mentioned pain, he said that pain and sex often go together. Interesting to see that it was Peter MacKay, that Conservative jackass who promoted this man to Federal court after this incident took place.



wildie	Nov 12 2015, 06:32 AM Post #39
Veteran Member Posts: 12,173 Group: Member Member #442 Joined: October 11, 2006	Darcie Nov 11 2015, 11:15 AM campy Nov 11 2015, 09:40 AM The way it is set up now even a prostitute can cry rape even if the guy paid in advance. Yep and a guy can rape a prostitute and say he paid her when he didn't. Believe or not a prostitute can be raped, she just has to say no. Thats an excellent example of the crazy laws that the Harper/McKay dual conjured up. If prostitution were legal and the prostitute didn't honour the contract, she could be sued for failing render the service. As it stands, animosity is generated that could possibly result in injury!



angora	Nov 12 2015, 08:19 AM Post #40
WWS Book Club Coordinator Posts: 14,494 Group: Member Member #717 Joined: March 31, 2010	Here's a scenario girl - 19 boy - in that range boy - pre med student girl - away from home boy - pays attention, acts nice, responsible girl - impressed and interested in a closeness, a few hugs and kisses. Boy - asks girl to go for a drive girl - says, yes drives to out of the way destination. girls - what's here? Boy starts groping girl resists boy persists girl says stop boy doesn't girl says you're hurting me Boy says just relax penetration occurs boy drives girl home. Was the girl raped. Yup, that's how I lost my virginity at 19 to a med student in Florida. Just try and tell me that wasn't humiliating and haunting and that it didn't affect my sex life for some time after. Try telling that to men like the judge who have no idea what it's like to have no power. As we all know rape equals power.



Trotsky	Nov 12 2015, 09:02 AM Post #41
Big City Boy Posts: 38,319 Group: Member Member #79 Joined: September 8, 2005	Quote: Boy says just relax penetration occurs Here's the crux: Did the girl "relax?"



angora	Nov 12 2015, 09:19 AM Post #42
WWS Book Club Coordinator Posts: 14,494 Group: Member Member #717 Joined: March 31, 2010	fAR FROM IT.



wildie	Nov 12 2015, 10:01 AM Post #43
Veteran Member Posts: 12,173 Group: Member Member #442 Joined: October 11, 2006	angora Nov 12 2015, 09:19 AM fAR FROM IT. If a girl is raped, but orgasms; is it still rape? 017



angora	Nov 12 2015, 10:28 AM Post #44
WWS Book Club Coordinator Posts: 14,494 Group: Member Member #717 Joined: March 31, 2010	If she said .. no... then it's rape no matter what the reaction. If the guy cant get it up, once that 'no' is out there it's still rape in my not so humble opinion.



Bitsy	Nov 12 2015, 10:37 AM Post #45
Veteran Member Posts: 31,383 Group: Member Member #267 Joined: March 11, 2006	wildie Nov 12 2015, 10:01 AM angora Nov 12 2015, 09:19 AM fAR FROM IT. If a girl is raped, but orgasms; is it still rape? 017 Why would it not be?



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