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Couldn't you just keep your knees together?
Topic Started: Nov 10 2015, 04:12 PM (988 Views)
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Federal Court judge under review for berating sex assault complainant

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The Canadian Judicial Council is reviewing the conduct of a Federal Court judge who questioned the efforts of a sexual assault complainant to fend off her attacker.

The council announced Monday it will review the behaviour of Robin Camp during a 2014 case he adjudicated while serving as an Alberta Provincial Court judge. The case involved the alleged rape of a 19-year-old woman by a Calgary man, whom she accused of sexually assaulting her over a bathroom sink during a house party.

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The review comes after a complaint from four law professors at Dalhousie University and the University of Calgary who described Camp as "dismissive, if not contemptuous" toward sexual assault laws and the rules of evidence.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-judge-judical-review-robin-camp-1.3311574?cmp=rss&cid=news-digests-edmonton

This is unbelievable.
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angora
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There are many ways to coerce and using the insecurities of an unwilling partner is a very nasty way.
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angora
Nov 13 2015, 04:06 AM
There are many ways to coerce and using the insecurities of an unwilling partner is a very nasty way.
Yep, my first husband used to say that the kids would suffer if he was in a bad mood.

I became willing real fast to protect the kids.

Was it rape - today I think it was, then I was too scared for the kids.
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A threat is a threat, consent to sex or walk home in the rain is no less a threat than holding a knife at the throat of the victim

You REALLY believe they are equivalent threats?

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‘Sex and pain sometimes go together’: Judge faces possible career ruin over rape trial comments.

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EDMONTON — Robin Camp’s career rise after immigrating to Canada had been quick, even meteoric: He was named an Alberta provincial court judge in 2012, with just 13 years at the provincial bar following decades as a lawyer in South Africa and Botswana. Three years later, last June 26, he was promoted again, to the Federal Court of Canada.

Now, he faces career ruin, fighting for his job in the face of a complaint to the Canadian Judicial Council of a sexual assault trial he heard in September, 2014.

A transcript reveals an entire trial “threaded through” with Camp’s outdated — and sometimes illegal — interpretation of Canadian sexual assault law, according to the four law professors who launched the complaint against Camp.

The professors, from the Dalhousie University and the University of Calgary, argue the proceedings abounded with “myths,” “stereotypes,” and an alarming degree of bias from the bench, and warned that the judge has thrown the entire Canadian justice system “into disrepute.”

“This was not a case of mere judicial error,” reads the complaint. At many points, Camp’s biases constituted an open defiance of Canadian law, they say.

Section 276 of the Criminal Code explicitly forbids a court from hearing evidence of a victim’s prior sexual history in order to determine whether they are “more likely to have consented to the sexual activity that forms the subject-matter of the charge.”


http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/judge-faces-possible-career-ruin-over-a-rape-trial-derailed-by-myths


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Nov 13 2015, 04:36 AM
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A threat is a threat, consent to sex or walk home in the rain is no less a threat than holding a knife at the throat of the victim

You REALLY believe they are equivalent threats?

Yep, I do..resulting consequences may be different but both are threats.
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Judge says, ‘Sex and pain sometimes go together’: Judge faces possible career ruin over rape trial comments. and then goes on,' not necessarily a bad thing.' ( last part of quote from my memory.

It would be good for Jian Ghomeshi if this would be the judge to preside over his trial. ;)
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Is offering money coercion?
Is offering a JOB coercion?
Is offering an apartment coercion?
Is offering a promotion coercion?

Do they all equate to holding a knife to a throat?
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Nov 13 2015, 05:35 AM
Is offering money coercion?
Is offering a JOB coercion?
Is offering an apartment coercion?
Is offering a promotion coercion?

Do they all equate to holding a knife to a throat?
Do you want to talk coercion or threats? Walk home or consent is a threat not coercion.
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Nov 12 2015, 05:00 PM
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Nov 12 2015, 04:30 PM

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You consider rape a custom? Geez. Rape is an act of violence and any extenuating circumstances arising from it are the stuff of nightmares and scars that fill a lifetime.
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Another question? There has always been story's about females being told that if they didn't cooperate they would have to walk home in the rain. Coerced, if you will!
Would that coecion be defined as a rape?

A threat is a threat, consent to sex or walk home in the rain is no less a threat than holding a knife at the throat of the victim...overt coercion is rape . Subtle coercion such as plying the victim with alcohol or drugs for the purpose of sex is also rape.
This subject was under discussion on TV today! A guest was being interviewed and she mentioned that the FBI in the US considers any penitration of a an orifice to be rape. Any other things of a sexual nature is a sexual assault.
Here in Canada, RAPE is not a legal term. Any unwelcome sexual advance is considered a sexual assault.
I assume that stroking a shoulder would be viewed less stringently that if the assault was initiated by a beating, followed by forceful removal of clothing, then penetration!
Again, my assumption is that a judge would weigh the evidence and bring down a sentence befitting the severity of the assault!
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I am glad to know that someone is keeping watch on what judges are doing in their courtrooms and that a closer look is being taken in this instance. People complain about how much power resides with a judge. They do need to be scrutinized occasionally.
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Nov 13 2015, 02:43 PM
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This subject was under discussion on TV today! A guest was being interviewed and she mentioned that the FBI in the US considers any penitration of a an orifice to be rape. Any other things of a sexual nature is a sexual assault.
Here in Canada, RAPE is not a legal term. Any unwelcome sexual advance is considered a sexual assault.
I assume that stroking a shoulder would be viewed less stringently that if the assault was initiated by a beating, followed by forceful removal of clothing, then penetration!
Again, my assumption is that a judge would weigh the evidence and bring down a sentence befitting the severity of the assault!
This still doesn't answer my question to your comment:

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If a girl is raped, but orgasms; is it still rape? 017


To which I ask, Why would it not be?
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the FBI in the US considers any penitration of a an orifice to be rape.


Q-tips under fire.

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Here in Canada, RAPE is not a legal term. Any unwelcome sexual advance is considered a sexual assault.

Well, it certainly SHOULD be a legal term because the penalties are so extreme. Having every judge and every jury having to reinvent the wheel on the subject seems silly and dangerous.
Lumping violent penetration in with an uncalled-for pat on the ass is preposterous.
Edited by Trotsky, Nov 14 2015, 04:35 AM.
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To protect the ladies sensitivities in accusations of sexual assault, the male should be sentenced without a trial. Similar to what happens in domestic violence cases. And if there is a trial the full circumstances of the event are not to be exhibited. The accusation is enough for a conviction.

Hardly in agreement with INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. Which is the very basis of our justice system.
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