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| Topic Started: Nov 15 2015, 02:28 PM (1,095 Views) | |
| Darcie | Nov 15 2015, 02:28 PM Post #1 |
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Sent to me by my granddaughter in BC - She didn't say where she got it but I think it is a lot right on.
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| margrace | Nov 16 2015, 01:20 AM Post #2 |
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Very good post Darcie. I know a little of what happens when religion is used to attack a people. A lot of my family in Northern Ireland are Catholics. I have first cousins there. Our family has tried very hard to accomadate all Christian religions with the result that was are all different religions. An interesting happening in our family is that my RC Italian Canadian grandson married a girl whose family on her mother's side are all Protestant in Northern Ireland. In fact we are finding out that the a police chief there, blamed for some of the horrendous attacks on our RC family is this girls grandfather. But it is time to let all that go, not an easy thing for family who lived through all this. I was raised Presbyterian and my 3 greats grand father on my fathers side was a Presbyterian Minister in Aberdeen. So this is all in the Christian religion, how hard is it to understand what is going on in the world. |
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| Bitsy | Nov 16 2015, 01:51 AM Post #3 |
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24/7 news coverage is giving ISIS what they want, attention and sadly probably converts. |
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| Trotsky | Nov 16 2015, 07:04 AM Post #4 |
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Do you think if the U.S. pulls ALL it military, even so called advisors, OUT of the Middle East, a similar attack on New York City or another American city can be avoided? An aside: is a city safer after one attack? So New York 9/11, maybe Washington 9/11 (that may have been well staged,) Boston (marathon.) London subway, Paris this weekend. DO you think these cities get a home-free card for the next attack? Of course the WTC was attacked TWICE, back in 1993 after the FIRST Iraq invasion, so there goes that theory. Edited by Trotsky, Nov 16 2015, 07:10 AM.
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| angora | Nov 16 2015, 07:40 AM Post #5 |
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" put serious pressure on any government that in any way aided the attacks". - copied from post #1. Ive read this carefully and accept and agree with most of the content. However, at the end I am still puzzled as to what we are supposed to do now. It sounds very much like nothing concrete that isn't already in action; sensible moves, all. But what does the author mean by the above quote..Put serious pressure on any government ...etc. What 'serious pressure' does the west have to put on these governments? Is the author talking about trade? travel? immigration? supply of weapons? keeping our entertainers and tourists from going to their countries? writing a sharp note? Some of my suggestions are obvious, some are silly. None of them has any teeth behind them. So, tell me, what serious pressure would you suggest? |
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| Bitsy | Nov 16 2015, 07:56 AM Post #6 |
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This is an interesting suggestion.
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a39727/paris-attacks-middle-eastern-oligarchies/ |
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| angora | Nov 16 2015, 08:19 AM Post #7 |
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"It's time for this to stop. It's time to be pitiless against the bankers and against the people who invest in murder to assure their own survival in power. st. Money trails should be followed, wherever they lead. People should go to jail, in every country in the world. It should be done state-to-state. Stop funding the murder of our citizens and you can have your money back. Maybe. If we're satisfied that you'll stop doing it. And, it goes without saying, but we'll say it anyway – not another bullet will be sold to you, let alone advanced warplanes, until this act gets cleaned up to our satisfaction. If that endangers your political position back home, that's your problem, not ours. You are no longer trusted allies. Complain, and your diplomats will be going home. Complain more loudly, and your diplomats will be investigated and, if necessary, detained. Retaliate, and you do not want to know what will happen, but it will done with cold, reasoned and, yes, pitiless calculation. It will not be a blind punch. You will not see it coming. It will not be an attack on your faith. It will be an attack on how you conduct your business as sovereign states in a world full of sovereign states" I read this with a lighter heart. This, it seems is as perfect a solution as I've seen suggested. but then I read.." People should go to jail, in every country in the world. It should be done state-to-state. Stop funding the murder of our citizens and you can have your money back" How are we going to ensure that "people go to jail in these states that support Isis and similar 'revolutionaries'. and "Retaliate, and you do not want to know what will happen, but it will done with cold, reasoned and, yes, pitiless calculation" What does this sound like to you? It sounds like a threat of violence to me. What retaliation could we take that we have not already mentioned. The only thing I see left is violence which is what we're trying to get away from since it doesn't solve the problem. I wish I know what to do but, even more, I wish the pundits and leaders knew what to do and would do it and have done with it. |
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| wildie | Nov 16 2015, 04:14 PM Post #8 |
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Just bomb the bankers while they are counting out their money! |
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| Trotsky | Nov 17 2015, 01:51 AM Post #9 |
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Make the manufacture and shipping of any and all weapons that are due for shipment to the Middle East a criminal activity by worldwide treaty. If a couple of CEO's (Lockheed-Martin, Grumman, Colt, Glock) are imprisoned, perhaps the message would get out. The ban must apply equally to the U.S., Canada, Russia, France, UK, Germany, China, India, etc. Of course, given that the military industrial complex is the main agitator for these endless wars, the task will be totally impossible. |
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| Bitsy | Nov 17 2015, 02:00 AM Post #10 |
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I read 'retaliation' as economic actions not military actions. It's time for this to stop. It's time to be pitiless against the bankers and against the people who invest in murder to assure their own survival in power. Assets from these states should be frozen, all over the west. Money trails should be followed, wherever they lead. People should go to jail, in every country in the world. It should be done state-to-state. Stop funding the murder of our citizens and you can have your money back. If the above actions don't work, we will........ .... not another bullet will be sold to you, let alone advanced warplanes, until this act gets cleaned up to our satisfaction. If that endangers your political position back home, that's your problem, not ours. You are no longer trusted allies. Complain, and your diplomats will be going home. Complain more loudly, and your diplomats will be investigated and, if necessary, detained. Retaliate, and you do not want to know what will happen, but it will done with cold, reasoned and, yes, pitiless calculation. It will not be a blind punch. You will not see it coming. It will not be an attack on your faith. It will be an attack on how you conduct your business as sovereign states in a world full of sovereign states. |
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| Trotsky | Nov 17 2015, 02:55 AM Post #11 |
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Best selfish but sensible response.
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| Bitsy | Nov 17 2015, 02:57 AM Post #12 |
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Bravo!!! |
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| angora | Nov 17 2015, 03:05 AM Post #13 |
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The economic and weaponry 'retaliations were already clearly mentioned before the threat of retaliation was made. It reads quite clearly that some other retaliation will apply. |
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| angora | Nov 17 2015, 03:06 AM Post #14 |
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Even if Obama decided to and was successful in bringing every American combatant home there is no way he could persuade the rest of the world to follow suit just on his orders. So the violence would go on minus the efforts of the USA. I don't believe for a minute that ISIS would discontinue terrorising the rest of the world nor would they spare the US.
Edited by angora, Nov 17 2015, 03:08 AM.
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| Bitsy | Nov 17 2015, 03:20 AM Post #15 |
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Yes, they were mentioned as additional tools if the 'banker' refused to stop the funding but the closing sentence does not, imo, read as a military threat. I wish elaboration had followed. It will be an attack on how you conduct your business as sovereign states in a world full of sovereign states. |
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