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| Topic Started: Nov 15 2015, 02:28 PM (1,097 Views) | |
| Darcie | Nov 15 2015, 02:28 PM Post #1 |
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Sent to me by my granddaughter in BC - She didn't say where she got it but I think it is a lot right on.
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| Trotsky | Nov 17 2015, 05:17 AM Post #16 |
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I am pretty sure attacks on the U.S. would stop. As for attacks on the rest of the world, that is for THEM to choose. They can continue to wage war or not. I think also, if France or the UK were to take this action, attack on their soil would stop. This is all quid pro quo, always has been back to daddy Bush's invasion of Iraq, perhaps back to Saladin. It's not rocket science, just the way every escalating conflict goes. It stops only when somebody stops. We must STOP. Edited by Trotsky, Nov 17 2015, 05:24 AM.
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| Delphi51 | Nov 17 2015, 05:57 AM Post #17 |
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What Middle East countries are supporting ISIS? I think all those countries are frightened of IS. the armoured cars the Saudis are buying are far more likely to be used in defence against IS. IS has openly declared it wants to wipe out all the governments in the Middle East. I think we are looking at something rather like the Nazi party in the 1930s. Left alone, IS will take over the Islamic states just as the NAZIs took over Germany. Then they will try for the world. What would have been the best way to stop the NAZIs? Leave them alone until they conquered Europe was "a very close run thing." |
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| Bitsy | Nov 17 2015, 06:00 AM Post #18 |
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I disagree, ISIS is a cult. |
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| angora | Nov 17 2015, 06:08 AM Post #19 |
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I think Hitler was cultish too. And I also think that saying that most muslims don't support or agree with Isis is the same as saying that most/many Germans didn't support Hitler and his views but we bombed them anyway. |
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| Durgan | Nov 17 2015, 08:07 AM Post #20 |
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At the height of Hitlers popularity almost every German was compliant. Even if one disagreed they could object at the peril of their lives. Few people are willing to take such a risk. Appeasement not an option from where I sit. Hug a Muslim has it limits. They had better get their house in order among themselves or face the consequences. Chamberlain after signing an agreement with Hitler. Peace in our time. 30 September 1938. Posted Image |
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| friendshipgal | Nov 17 2015, 08:09 AM Post #21 |
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Are you sure they would stop, regardless of Bush etc. because we cannot go back in time. I wonder if Glenn Dyer still believes that terrorism is overblown (as per one of his 2014 articles) That was Glenn Dyer's solution too, stay away do nothing, just simply ignore the attacks, provocations and loss of lives, an approach seemingly favoured by the left. The Islamists are now metastasizing to other parts of the Muslim world as well as infiltrating the West. The M.E. today isn't ruled by despots per se, It is ruled by lunatics intent on savagely killing people and building a caliphate, intent on destruction of the entire world by holy war. Should we just leave them alone to get stronger? France will be convening Parliament and I suspect this will be to declare and carry out war against Isis. There's a real possibility that they will invoke NATO article five to call on the allies to join them. This presents an interesting problem for Canada and the United States both led by idiots who refuse to even acknowledge the existence of Islamic terrorism. In Canada's case, it's possible we could default on our NATO obligations. The U.S. is in an interesting situation. Congress has the power to declare war, but it's a power that has only ever been exercised at the request of the President. The current President is effectively allied with ISIL. Congress, on the other hand, is controlled by Republicans who are itching to declare war. Would Obama veto a declaration of war? It seems likely that he would and in so doing would have to expressly use his power to default on the United States obligations to NATO. We could easily see the end of NATO with both North American partners defaulting while one of our allies has been attacked in its own soil. Just to ad, Saskatchewan Premier Brad Wall is asking the gov't to reconsider the timeline for the refugees, and a former Liberal cabinet minister is speaking against Trudeau's decisions. |
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| Bitsy | Nov 17 2015, 08:12 AM Post #22 |
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What do you see as appeasement to Muslims? |
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| Bitsy | Nov 17 2015, 08:26 AM Post #23 |
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I have to wonder where FSG gets information such as this. "The U.S. is in an interesting situation. Congress has the power to declare war, but it's a power that has only ever been exercised at the request of the President. The current President is effectively allied with ISIL. Congress, on the other hand, is controlled by Republicans who are itching to declare war. Would Obama veto a declaration of war? It seems likely that he would and in so doing would have to expressly use his power to default on the United States obligations to NATO." Here is the reality not the alternate reality of ill-informed conservative supporters. They didn't want to go on record as being for war. That may have changed now with the Paris attacks but I will have to read a few more sources before forming an opinion.
http://www.npr.org/2015/11/05/454829097/gop-lawmakers-reluctant-to-act-on-isis-war-authorization-request |
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| Trotsky | Nov 17 2015, 10:28 AM Post #24 |
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I don't like the comparisons between IS (I like that shortened version) and Hitler. Hitler was a cult figure, a unification around THE MAN, and IS is more a multinational cross border unification and yes, they seem determined to remove the heads of all the "state" leaders in the Middle East, not unlike the French Revolution. Similarities are also to the goals of "World Communism" <humming the Nationale here.> Think also on this: Germany was perhaps the manufacturing giant of the world in the 1930's. IS wouldn't have a single gun or bullet had not it been made elsewhere...probably in the U.S., Russia, China or FRANCE. Their takeover of the world would have to be done with scimitars if not for their being armed by others. They are not a real threat except perhaps to rich fat princes of the House of Saud. Their removal is only painful to the oil companies...nobody else on Earth could GAS. If we stop killing IS, they may likely stop killing us. Looks like France has gone to Martial Law...how predictable. Edited by Trotsky, Nov 17 2015, 10:51 AM.
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| Durgan | Nov 17 2015, 10:50 AM Post #25 |
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Appeasement:If we do this, ISIS will do that, as most of the posts indicate. First ISIS is not even defined. My information is that they are not a single identity, but a conglomeration of smaller organizations. Second their aims of violent actions appears to be without a meaningful purpose(s). We, the targets, cannot tolerate such behavior and indeed will not do so at least judging about the throwing about of the rhetoric. How does one go about defeating a ghost? I am sure ISIS in Syria are not conglomerating in areas where they can be taken out by air power without much collateral damage, meaning destruction of innocents assuming there is such. I assume there is really no-one to bring to a conference due to ISIS being such a scattered organization. Every Western country is at risk of some brutal act. Our only defense appears to be constant vigilance and reactingg to the attacks in the appropriate manner. Israel could be used as a model. They are surrounded by enemies and live constantly under the threat of attack by their neighbors. Peace in out time, I doubt not. The new reality. |
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| Oldsalt | Nov 17 2015, 10:51 AM Post #26 |
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Its an article from the Tyee http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2015/11/14/Paris-Attacks/ |
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| Trotsky | Nov 17 2015, 10:52 AM Post #27 |
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I use "quid pro quo" in this scenario to mean if you bomb me, I will bomb YOU. We are the invaders here. What would be the reaction of Canadians if China invaded British Columbia? Would Canadians who shot up Beijing in response properly be called "terrorists?" Edited by Trotsky, Nov 17 2015, 10:55 AM.
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| Dana | Nov 17 2015, 11:06 AM Post #28 |
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We would have to check the TPP on that one, Trotsky ! |
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| David | Nov 17 2015, 11:18 AM Post #29 |
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This is an effectively ridiculous statement. |
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| Durgan | Nov 17 2015, 11:20 AM Post #30 |
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Good article. Close to my views anyway. |
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