What it's like to sponsor Syrians coming to Toronto

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What it's like to sponsor Syrians coming to Toronto
Topic Started: Nov 24 2015, 03:34 PM (784 Views)
Darcie	Nov 24 2015, 03:34 PM Post #1
Skeptic Posts: 31,154 Group: Member Member #714 Joined: March 30, 2010	Quote: Much of the public discussion around refugees has involved how the government will accomplish its goal to resettle 25,000 Syrians in Canada. But how exactly does private sponsorship work? Groups of private citizens are getting ready to help thousands of Syrians find homes and build a new life in Toronto. What you need to know to help Syrian refugees settle in Toronto City of Sanctuary: How ready is Toronto for Syrian newcomers? Turning refugees to newcomers Annette Wilde, a member of the First Unitarian Church in Toronto, is working to bring 10 families to Toronto and Kingston with two families already in the country. Wilde was involved in family reunification. "At the time we thought 'where are we going to find Syrians to sponsor?'" she said. She went to her local mosque to ask about Syrian refugees. That's when she found out about several families torn apart by the conflict in the Middle East, many living in refugee camps. She describes the first meeting with one of her families as "amazing." http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/programs/metromorning/what-it-s-like-to-sponsor-syrians-coming-to-toronto-1.3331052?cmp=rss&cid=news-digests-toronto This is Canada. :wineglasssmile.gif:



Delphi51	Nov 24 2015, 06:23 PM Post #2
Member title Posts: 13,967 Group: Administration Member #441 Joined: October 10, 2006	That is very encouraging! Good to see the new Canadians meeting and working with old Canadians. I wonder how long the sponsors are signing up for. Are the costs mentioned One-time or annually for several years? The 1.5 billion dollars for 25 000 government sponsored refugees amounts to about $60 000 per person - and seems too little to support them for more than 2 years. There must be an assumption of self-sufficiency within a couple of years. The Moslem tradition of the wife staying home to look after the children may make that difficult. Canada needs a bunch of low income housing units.



Durgan	Nov 24 2015, 08:32 PM Post #3
Veteran Member Posts: 13,273 Group: Gardening Guru Member #720 Joined: March 31, 2010	I asked about jobs on the CBC feedback. Here is one reply. Lots of service jobs available in this country. Lots of jobs that require training as well. There are 57,428 jobs listed as available within 25 km of Toronto, according to Wow jobs.



Trotsky	Nov 25 2015, 01:11 AM Post #4
Big City Boy Posts: 38,319 Group: Member Member #79 Joined: September 8, 2005	Quote: Groups of private citizens are getting ready to help thousands of Syrians find homes and build a new life in Toronto. Where were these "groups of private citizens" when thousands of Canadians needed homes and new lives? Quote: In 1999, about 26% or 2.8 million Canadian households fell below the minimum amount required to afford a basic home, gauged at $25,920. Five years later, this number rose to 26% or 3.2 million households. Posted Image Yep, that's a Toronto bench. Edited by Trotsky, Nov 25 2015, 01:14 AM.



Alli	Nov 25 2015, 02:02 AM Post #5
Mistress, House of Cats Posts: 4,732 Group: Member Member #711 Joined: March 30, 2010	Quote: Canada needs a bunch of low income housing units. Really we do??!!, tell that to those who have been waiting in a invisible line for several years waiting for low income housing to be available. This will be one of the catalysts that will cause resentment between refugees and those who have been waiting within the system for years to be passed over for housing....



Dana	Nov 25 2015, 06:36 AM Post #6
WWS Hummingbird Guru & Wildlife photographer extrordinaire Posts: 13,054 Group: Member Member #830 Joined: March 23, 2011	Notice how that bench has an arm rest in the middle to stop anyone from lying down ?



Darcie	Nov 25 2015, 06:45 AM Post #7
Skeptic Posts: 31,154 Group: Member Member #714 Joined: March 30, 2010	Alli Nov 25 2015, 02:02 AM Quote: Canada needs a bunch of low income housing units. Really we do??!!, tell that to those who have been waiting in a invisible line for several years waiting for low income housing to be available. This will be one of the catalysts that will cause resentment between refugees and those who have been waiting within the system for years to be passed over for housing.... And all the myths will start floating around the Internet. Really......



Trotsky	Nov 25 2015, 06:48 AM Post #8
Big City Boy Posts: 38,319 Group: Member Member #79 Joined: September 8, 2005	Dana Nov 25 2015, 06:36 AM Notice how that bench has an arm rest in the middle to stop anyone from lying down ? Yeah, We have them in subway stations too. Sort of "How to be a prick without looking too obvious."



goldengal	Nov 25 2015, 06:50 AM Post #9
Mistress, House of Dogs Posts: 11,674 Group: Member Member #715 Joined: March 31, 2010	Darcie Nov 25 2015, 06:45 AM Alli Nov 25 2015, 02:02 AM Quoting limited to 2 levels deep And all the myths will start floating around the Internet. Really...... I am confused. What myths would those be Darcie. I have friends who are spending more than 40% of their income on housing and have been told it will be up to 4 years before they will have a chance of securing subsidized housing. That is no myth. It is a fact of life for many seniors. Take care, Pat



Darcie	Nov 25 2015, 06:56 AM Post #10
Skeptic Posts: 31,154 Group: Member Member #714 Joined: March 30, 2010	goldengal Nov 25 2015, 06:50 AM Darcie Nov 25 2015, 06:45 AM Quoting limited to 2 levels deep I am confused. What myths would those be Darcie. I have friends who are spending more than 40% of their income on housing and have been told it will be up to 4 years before they will have a chance of securing subsidized housing. That is no myth. It is a fact of life for many seniors. Take care, Pat I mean the ones about how much money the refugees get compared to the seniors. Read so many on this board and others. When looked at my snopes they were all fabrications. Yes, but who says they will be favoured over the the people on the wait list? I tried to look it up and will be calling a friend in London who works in this area for the Access Center. In no way have I found that they will jump the queue. I would like a link supplied to tell me that this is so. Otherwise it is just imagination. Now, when it comes to housing I thoroughly agree. But saying that refugees will be ahead of the line without corroboration leaves me with a lot of questions as to motive.



Alli	Nov 25 2015, 07:34 AM Post #11
Mistress, House of Cats Posts: 4,732 Group: Member Member #711 Joined: March 30, 2010	Darcie Nov 25 2015, 06:45 AM Alli Nov 25 2015, 02:02 AM Quoting limited to 2 levels deep And all the myths will start floating around the Internet. Really...... Posted Image I'm not so sure about your myth theory Darcie This is the reality in Niagara.. Quote: This will be one of the catalysts that will cause resentment between refugees and those who have been waiting within the system for years to be passed over for housing.... Darcie lets be real here, no one said the Syrian refugees were all going to be jumping ahead of the line. However it does happen and I know several Congolese families who came from Congo during the war who were given priority housing nearly 6 months after they arrived They were provided with a subsidized unit..Why is that so difficult to fathom ? Quote: I would like a link supplied to tell me that this is so. Otherwise it is just imagination. It's great that you seem to be privy to all the information however not all information someone posts comes with a link but more of a personal experience.. don't discount others for what information they may have.. Nor does it make them unsympathetic to the conditions which they are going through. claiming it is imagination is insulting.... Edited by Alli, Nov 25 2015, 08:04 AM.



Darcie	Nov 25 2015, 10:24 AM Post #12
Skeptic Posts: 31,154 Group: Member Member #714 Joined: March 30, 2010	Alli Nov 25 2015, 07:34 AM Darcie Nov 25 2015, 06:45 AM Quoting limited to 2 levels deep Posted Image I'm not so sure about your myth theory Darcie This is the reality in Niagara.. Quote: This will be one of the catalysts that will cause resentment between refugees and those who have been waiting within the system for years to be passed over for housing.... Darcie lets be real here, no one said the Syrian refugees were all going to be jumping ahead of the line. However it does happen and I know several Congolese families who came from Congo during the war who were given priority housing nearly 6 months after they arrived They were provided with a subsidized unit..Why is that so difficult to fathom ? Quote: I would like a link supplied to tell me that this is so. Otherwise it is just imagination. It's great that you seem to be privy to all the information however not all information someone posts comes with a link but more of a personal experience.. don't discount others for what information they may have.. Nor does it make them unsympathetic to the conditions which they are going through. claiming it is imagination is insulting.... It helps to say where you got the information from, if I got it from a relative or just a person I overheard I would like to hear about it. The housing act for subsidized housing is very precise, anyone who had been subjected to a need for a home on an emergency basis has priority. They do not discriminate, if you are a landed immigrant or a born here person. Recently some were housed on a priority basis because of a fire, I am not aware that some would not be considered if they were refugees, why should they be. Some jump queues because of medical needs. I am at the top of the list in London and I do not at all question others (including refugees) getting a unit I could have if they are more in need than I am. Of course, that is how I feel personally. Quote: It's great that you seem to be privy to all the information however not all information someone posts comes with a link but more of a personal experience.. don't discount others for what information they may have.. Nor does it make them unsympathetic to the conditions which they are going through. claiming it is imagination is insulting.... If you were insulted I apologize but I was not thinking of you, but as you know many do think that way. I also would like to have pointed out to me exactly where I have not provided a link for information I provided. If I did so why did you not ask for one and I would have been pleased to either supply it or to tell you where I got my information if I had not said so. BTW I consider that an insult and would really appreciate an apology just as I apologized to you.



wildie	Nov 25 2015, 10:25 AM Post #13
Veteran Member Posts: 12,173 Group: Member Member #442 Joined: October 11, 2006	Darcie Nov 25 2015, 06:56 AM goldengal Nov 25 2015, 06:50 AM Quoting limited to 2 levels deep I mean the ones about how much money the refugees get compared to the seniors. Read so many on this board and others. When looked at my snopes they were all fabrications. Yes, but who says they will be favoured over the the people on the wait list? I tried to look it up and will be calling a friend in London who works in this area for the Access Center. In no way have I found that they will jump the queue. I would like a link supplied to tell me that this is so. Otherwise it is just imagination. Now, when it comes to housing I thoroughly agree. But saying that refugees will be ahead of the line without corroboration leaves me with a lot of questions as to motive. Quote: But saying that refugees will be ahead of the line without corroboration leaves me with a lot of questions as to motive. The refugee's are coming and they will need to be placed in accommodation. The can't be dumped out on the airport tarmac. Hence, necessity will dictate that they will go to the head of the list!



Darcie	Nov 25 2015, 10:25 AM Post #14
Skeptic Posts: 31,154 Group: Member Member #714 Joined: March 30, 2010	Alli my post #10 clearly states that I agree on the housing. It is the same everywhere, I did not dispute that and wonder why you posted a chart.



Darcie	Nov 25 2015, 10:27 AM Post #15
Skeptic Posts: 31,154 Group: Member Member #714 Joined: March 30, 2010	wildie Nov 25 2015, 10:25 AM Darcie Nov 25 2015, 06:56 AM Quoting limited to 2 levels deep Quote: But saying that refugees will be ahead of the line without corroboration leaves me with a lot of questions as to motive. The refugee's are coming and they will need to be placed in accommodation. The can't be dumped out on the airport tarmac. Hence, necessity will dictate that they will go to the head of the list! I will be looking with my beady eyes to see this. Sponsors have to provide housing, they usually rent apartments on the market.



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