Local churches, synagogues, mosques line up to sponsor Syrian families

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Local churches, synagogues, mosques line up to sponsor Syrian families
Topic Started: Dec 4 2015, 03:55 PM (570 Views)
Darcie	Dec 4 2015, 03:55 PM Post #1
Skeptic Posts: 31,154 Group: Member Member #714 Joined: March 30, 2010	Quote: Organized religion often gets a bad rap. But as the Greater Montreal region scrambles to figure out how to accommodate the more than 6,000 Syrian refugees expected to arrive here over the next year, the “organized” nature of religion, it seems, is quite welcome. Faith communities are taking concrete steps not only to meet the needs of refugees but to harness the strong desire of so many Montrealers to help out. The Montreal Gazette spoke to several local religious leaders this week about their efforts to sponsor and provide for Syrian families. At the Dorval Mosque, for example, the initiative to sponsor refugees started more than two years ago as worshippers with family members in Syria approached Mosque leaders for help. The mosque has raised over $100,000 so far, and intends to sponsor five families. The government requires sponsors to show they can provide at least $12,000 for each individual sponsored refugee, and $22,000 for a couple with three children, plus $1,531 per additional child. Since the mosque is currently working on sponsoring 33 people — one of the families includes 11 children — fundraising efforts continue. http://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/local-churches-synagogues-mosques-line-up-to-sponsor-syrian-families How nice to see this, the Rabbi on the right is the one who married my granddaughter & husband.



campy	Dec 5 2015, 02:14 AM Post #2
Handyman Extraordinaire Posts: 28,720 Group: no politics Member #204 Joined: February 2, 2006	Darcie. Correct me if I am wrong. But didn't the Quebec government state that any refugees accepted would have to be educated in French in the Quebec school system?



Bitsy	Dec 5 2015, 02:18 AM Post #3
Veteran Member Posts: 31,383 Group: Member Member #267 Joined: March 11, 2006	campy Dec 5 2015, 02:14 AM But didn't the Quebec government state that any refugees accepted would have to be educated in French in the Quebec school system? I don't understand. Educated in French as opposed to what? Canadian?



campy	Dec 5 2015, 02:27 AM Post #4
Handyman Extraordinaire Posts: 28,720 Group: no politics Member #204 Joined: February 2, 2006	Bitsy Dec 5 2015, 02:18 AM campy Dec 5 2015, 02:14 AM But didn't the Quebec government state that any refugees accepted would have to be educated in French in the Quebec school system? I don't understand. Educated in French as opposed to what? Canadian? Two systems in Canada in Quebec. The English language system schools and the French language schools. The "Canadian" language is both. Everything in Canada has the French language on it as well as the Canadian. The money and even a box of cornflakes.



Trotsky	Dec 5 2015, 02:32 AM Post #5
Big City Boy Posts: 38,319 Group: Member Member #79 Joined: September 8, 2005	Quote: Organized religion often gets a bad rap. Since when?



Darcie	Dec 5 2015, 02:57 AM Post #6
Skeptic Posts: 31,154 Group: Member Member #714 Joined: March 30, 2010	Trotsky Dec 5 2015, 02:32 AM Quote: Organized religion often gets a bad rap. Since when? In Quebec, the 'Catholic' province it certainly does. It has been called the quiet revolution and has been going on for a long long time. No church tells the people what to do in their private lives, but some will use it for rites such as marriages and funerals.



Bitsy	Dec 5 2015, 03:11 AM Post #7
Veteran Member Posts: 31,383 Group: Member Member #267 Joined: March 11, 2006	campy Dec 5 2015, 02:27 AM Bitsy Dec 5 2015, 02:18 AM Quoting limited to 2 levels deep Two systems in Canada in Quebec. The English language system schools and the French language schools. The "Canadian" language is both. Everything in Canada has the French language on it as well as the Canadian. The money and even a box of cornflakes. Thanks. Now what is the difference in the curriculum of the two schools? Does the French school not teach English?



Darcie	Dec 5 2015, 03:35 AM Post #8
Skeptic Posts: 31,154 Group: Member Member #714 Joined: March 30, 2010	The French school teaches English as a second language and the English school teaches French as a second language. There also are French Immersion schools (were when I lived there) run by the English school boards. I personally do think that something had to be done to preserve the French language but some of the restrictions are over the top. The French and English get along just fine thank you, and in a milieu like North America it behooves the French to be bilingual, and a very small minority of the English come out of school not being bilingual. Now the old folk, that is another picture.



Bitsy	Dec 5 2015, 03:43 AM Post #9
Veteran Member Posts: 31,383 Group: Member Member #267 Joined: March 11, 2006	Darcie Dec 5 2015, 03:35 AM The French school teaches English as a second language and the English school teaches French as a second language. There also are French Immersion schools (were when I lived there) run by the English school boards. I personally do think that something had to be done to preserve the French language but some of the restrictions are over the top. The French and English get along just fine thank you, and in a milieu like North America it behooves the French to be bilingual, and a very small minority of the English come out of school not being bilingual. Now the old folk, that is another picture. So, if Campy is correct in his comment "But didn't the Quebec government state that any refugees accepted would have to be educated in French in the Quebec school system?" there is nothing nefarious in so doing?" The education essentially will be the same? Would assimilation not be easier if children were instructed in the provincial official language?



Darcie	Dec 5 2015, 04:01 AM Post #10
Skeptic Posts: 31,154 Group: Member Member #714 Joined: March 30, 2010	I think so but many of the English in other provinces and some of the English in Quebec resent rules which limit access to the English system, that the signs have to have French as predominant,(larger letters than English) etc. New immigrants have to go into the French system. My son-in-law is English and Irish and he was put in the French system, hasn't harmed him one bit, he went to an English University with no problem. His daughter was in the English system did her BSc and Masters in two different English Universities and her PHD in a French University. It showed her abilities in both languages and she was approached by the US for a job. There are pros and cons, like anything else. I agree that some of the rules are silly and idiotic, but it all goes back to the problems in Charlottetown when the other provinces banded together against Quebec concerning the constitution. It was so long ago, I wasn't living in Quebec at the time, but it was perceived as a betrayal by Quebec and they have been angry ever since. Cleaning lady arrived, will be back later.



campy	Dec 5 2015, 05:12 AM Post #11
Handyman Extraordinaire Posts: 28,720 Group: no politics Member #204 Joined: February 2, 2006	Bitsy Dec 5 2015, 03:11 AM campy Dec 5 2015, 02:27 AM Quoting limited to 2 levels deep Thanks. Now what is the difference in the curriculum of the two schools? Does the French school not teach English? To the best of my knowledge it's called French immersion and they do not teach English in a French school or vice-versa. Private schools maybe. But not the public schools. I can be corrected by those more knowledgeable about Quebec. I live in Ontario. You can place your child in a French teaching school if you wish. It's an advantage to be bilingual in Canada meaning you can speak French and English. Many government jobs require both languages as a requirement. It's funny that no one else has ever mentioned that here before to my knowledge.



Bitsy	Dec 5 2015, 05:20 AM Post #12
Veteran Member Posts: 31,383 Group: Member Member #267 Joined: March 11, 2006	campy Dec 5 2015, 05:12 AM Bitsy Dec 5 2015, 03:11 AM Quoting limited to 2 levels deep To the best of my knowledge it's called French immersion and they do not teach English in a French school or vice-versa. Private schools maybe. But not the public schools. I can be corrected by those more knowledgeable about Quebec. I live in Ontario. You can place your child in a French teaching school if you wish. It's an advantage to be bilingual in Canada meaning you can speak French and English. Many government jobs require both languages as a requirement. It's funny that no one else has ever mentioned that here before to my knowledge. Thank, Campy. Where can we read that the refugees must be educated in what you call the "French immersion" schools and will not be taught English? That appears to put them at a disadvantage. I wonder the reasoning for this.



campy	Dec 5 2015, 05:29 AM Post #13
Handyman Extraordinaire Posts: 28,720 Group: no politics Member #204 Joined: February 2, 2006	Bitsy. Bill 101 in Quebec. MONTREAL – Quebec is the only province in Canada where French is the sole official language. Bill 101, or the Charter of the French Language as it’s also known, was introduced by the first-ever Parti Quebecois government, led by then-Premier René Lévesque. It was passed into law on August 26, 1977. There is quite a controversy going on now in Quebec because there are those who want to temporarily suspend Bill 101 because of the refugee situation http://montrealgazette.com/opinion/columnists/syrian-refugees-can-escape-war-but-not-quebecs-language-politics Excerpt: Which explains why Quebec immigration minister Kathleen Weil finally made it clear this week that while the Pearson board and other anglo school commissions could make a contribution to the effort to assist Syrian refugees coming here, teaching their kids in English really, really wasn’t one of them. And Weil went further, telling reporters that in any event, it would be difficult for a unilingual anglophone to find a job in Montreal, since mastery of French being an essential element to getting a paycheque in Canada’s second largest city. Have I crossed all the t's and dotted all the i's for you sufficiently yet? Edited by campy, Dec 5 2015, 05:36 AM.



Bitsy	Dec 5 2015, 05:55 AM Post #14
Veteran Member Posts: 31,383 Group: Member Member #267 Joined: March 11, 2006	campy Dec 5 2015, 05:29 AM Bitsy. Bill 101 in Quebec. MONTREAL – Quebec is the only province in Canada where French is the sole official language. Bill 101, or the Charter of the French Language as it’s also known, was introduced by the first-ever Parti Quebecois government, led by then-Premier René Lévesque. It was passed into law on August 26, 1977. There is quite a controversy going on now in Quebec because there are those who want to temporarily suspend Bill 101 because of the refugee situation http://montrealgazette.com/opinion/columnists/syrian-refugees-can-escape-war-but-not-quebecs-language-politics Excerpt: Which explains why Quebec immigration minister Kathleen Weil finally made it clear this week that while the Pearson board and other anglo school commissions could make a contribution to the effort to assist Syrian refugees coming here, teaching their kids in English really, really wasn’t one of them. And Weil went further, telling reporters that in any event, it would be difficult for a unilingual anglophone to find a job in Montreal, since mastery of French being an essential element to getting a paycheque in Canada’s second largest city. Have I crossed all the t's and dotted all the i's for you sufficiently yet? Yes, you did, Campy, thank you.



FuzzyO	Dec 5 2015, 06:36 AM Post #15
Posts: 16,968 Group: Administration Member #710 Joined: March 30, 2010	Actually French immersion is a program offered in English schools. French schools do have English classes, have never hear of an English immersion class in a French school but I suppose it could happen. It used to be that you could choose to have your child educated in either language, now you can only send your child to an English school if you yourself were educated in one. Anyone moving into Quebec automatically must send their child to a French school.



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