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| Canadian Tuitions Among World's Highest, OECD Study Finds | |
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| Topic Started: Dec 6 2015, 09:20 AM (596 Views) | |
| Darcie | Dec 6 2015, 09:20 AM Post #1 |
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http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/12/05/highest-tuitions-world-canada_n_8723214.html?utm_hp_ref=canada-business&ncid=fcbklnkcahpmg00000001 Creating equal access to post secondary education is one way of helping equality for the poor. There should also be equal training opportunity in all trades as well. Heck, plumbers and electricians usually make more per hour than many PHDs. |
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| heatseeker | Dec 6 2015, 10:25 AM Post #2 |
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Not unusual for kids to get out of university with $40K or more in debt. That may be ok for dentists and others with an assured high income the minute they graduate, but for the average bachelor of arts graduate with no great prospects it can be crippling. |
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| Olive Oil | Dec 6 2015, 11:58 AM Post #3 |
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I thought that we were supposed to be quite low priced compared to the USA. |
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| Alli | Dec 6 2015, 12:03 PM Post #4 |
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There are many Universities in Europe that do not charge tuition. The idea behind this is everyone deserves to have a higher education An educated population benefits everyone.. It's too bad the Governments here didn't have the same foresight. |
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| swing | Dec 6 2015, 12:46 PM Post #5 |
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Many Drs. and dentists come out of school with 60 -70 thousand $$ worth of loans, this I witnessed when working 12 years ago! Most have to leave home for another city which is expensive. Our daughter attended Ryerson for Journalism, graduating in 1998; her loans were 35000.00 then and she worked part time. Toronto is an expensive city! Fortunately for her and to give her a debt free start in life, we paid her student loans. Ali ~ if we had free education in Canada, can you imagine our taxes? My friends son went to vet school in Norway. I couldn't believe when she told me it was free. She then informed me of the high tax rates! |
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| Dialtone | Dec 6 2015, 01:02 PM Post #6 |
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What bothers me is the attitude of entitlement by university educated kids today. Half have no common sense, can't spell, and have the math skills of a chimpanzee, but they have a degree in something useless in the working world. My grandson wants to be a mechanic, he has the aptitude to be good at it, I'll pay for any courses he needs at tech school. Hopefully, he can keep my truck driveable down the road. |
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| margrace | Dec 6 2015, 01:02 PM Post #7 |
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I think if Canadians want a better world then we have to lower our expectations of life. I know a lot of people like to flee the winter but perhaps that is not an option. I know it isn't for a lot of the people I know. Our health care is also going to get expensive and the alternative is letting some people have none. I remember what it was like before we had the health system we do now and one had to decide if a trip to the doctor was affordable. Can we live with less, our churches are going empty because people are too busy, we need to get back to the community get togethers we used to have. The almighty dollar might not be that important. |
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| friendshipgal | Dec 6 2015, 01:20 PM Post #8 |
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Can Canadians live with less health care, I don't think so, but yet new health centres in Ontario are opening for refugees as Ontarians go begging.... As far as University goes, maybe not everyone who thinks they should go to University should; maybe they should go into a trade. If people with MBAs are unemployable then there is a problem. |
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| Delphi51 | Dec 6 2015, 01:28 PM Post #9 |
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Remember, asking the government to subsidize postsecondary education more than they now do is to ask for higher taxes. Governments presently pay about half, students about 30%. http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/81-599-x/81-599-x2011007-eng.pdf As DT noted, much of university education does not benefit the people who get it or the economy of the country. I think it is in the best interest of the country to subsidize heavily occupations for which there are shortages but students in other lines of training should pay more than half. |
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| Darcie | Dec 6 2015, 01:32 PM Post #10 |
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I think the rich should learn to live with less, the rest of us already are. |
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| wildie | Dec 6 2015, 04:08 PM Post #11 |
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I opted to learn a trade. Recently I counted up how much training time that I had after leaving school. I was surprised to find that I had spent a total of 32 months in classroom training, over the course of my working life. Fortunately, I was being paid for most of this! |
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| campy | Dec 6 2015, 05:22 PM Post #12 |
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I live in a university town. We have many foreign students. So it can't be all that more expensive than at home. Either that or they are rich and want an English education. |
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| Delphi51 | Dec 6 2015, 06:10 PM Post #13 |
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Good point, Campy. The Hong Kong and Chinese students know a good deal and they pay double as foreign students. Not much difference to the student between paying off the student loans and paying heavier taxes to pay for everyone to have four years at university. The difference to the economy is large - another 25% of young people going to college instead of working. And all the school bound students losing motivation to choose careers where they can get jobs and pay off loans. |
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| heatseeker | Dec 6 2015, 11:22 PM Post #14 |
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maybe not everyone who thinks they should go to University should; maybe they should go into a trade. I agree. Bill Davis, when he was premier of Ontario, pledged that everyone could get a post-secondary education. It seemed like an enlightened attitude, but one result of this (and similar in other provinces) is that we now have hundreds of thousands if not millions of people with university degrees who are not really suited to do much, while there are shortages of many of the skilled trades. Perhaps because we are a country of immigrants, who tend to place an unrealistically high value on education, and an unrealistically low value on actual skills. It flies in the face of experience. Kids in their late 20s or 30s with a trade can easily make $80,000 a year or much more, while many university grads of the same age struggle to make half that amount. |
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| Darcie | Dec 7 2015, 12:14 AM Post #15 |
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I think we need both. A country that is heavy on either is unbalanced. Just pick something you are passionate about and go for it. I guess I am still suffering from the Harper attitude, f..k the scientists, sort of saying education is not good. |
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