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Media Misses of 2015 a must read
Topic Started: Jan 1 2016, 10:03 AM (456 Views)
friendshipgal
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Guess everyone wants their own Trudashians
This may not be from an approved WWS source but is verifiable and accurate, if you believe otherwise please prove it.

• 1. Hands up, don’t shoot

• 2. Ahmed’s clock


an excerpt

Alan Kurdi’s rejected refugee application

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/12/30/media-misses-in-2015#pq=zMQ57V
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A defining moment of the 2015 election campaign was reaction to the Syrian refugee crisis after images surfaced of a lifeless, three-year-old Syrian boy lying on a Turkish beach. When the heart-wrenching images were first reported, we were told the family of Alan Kurdi had applied to be refugees in Canada, but had been rejected by the Harper government.

There was an immediate backlash against the Conservatives; many directly blamed the Harper government for the death of Alan, his older brother and mother.

But when the immigration department was contacted, we learned the original media reports were incorrect. Alan’s parents never applied to come to Canada, although his uncle had submitted an incomplete application.

Misinformation spread, however, and the reaction to a tragic death marked the beginning of the end of Harper’s already troubled campaign.

The public relies on the media to be fair and accurate. All journalists should resolve to make 2016 a year of more thorough and honest reporting.
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Durgan
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Surely the long term solution is to settle the refugees in their own environments. What I am suggesting is pour money and infrastructure in the problem countries.

At present there are 12 million refugees in and about Syria. This is only the tip of an iceberg world wide. No effort by Western Nations can even begin to cope by accepting such large numbers, without major disruptions.

A new approach must be presented.
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friendshipgal
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Durgan
Jan 2 2016, 05:06 AM
Surely the long term solution is to settle the refugees in their own environments. What I am suggesting is pour money and infrastructure in the problem countries.

At present there are 12 million refugees in and about Syria. This is only the tip of an iceberg world wide. No effort by Western Nations can even begin to cope by accepting such large numbers, without major disruptions.

A new approach must be presented.
Agreed...
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Bitsy
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Durgan
Jan 2 2016, 05:06 AM
Surely the long term solution is to settle the refugees in their own environments. What I am suggesting is pour money and infrastructure in the problem countries.

At present there are 12 million refugees in and about Syria. This is only the tip of an iceberg world wide. No effort by Western Nations can even begin to cope by accepting such large numbers, without major disruptions.

A new approach must be presented.
Any suggestions on a new approach?
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Darcie
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I have looked at the states of the cities because of the bombings, just rubble, and the infrastructure is probably gone as well. Food is very difficult to grow, to find and to buy.

First we would have to get rid of all the fighting factions, maybe dump them in the middle of an ocean or on a hostile island with drones to ensure they stay there.

Then the people would have to be supported in every way to rebuild the country, education would have to be first.

You are talking of a process that would take many decades, even if nothing else happened.

You are talking about a war zone, any of us want to move there?

The refugees are not leaving because they have fun, they are leaving in order to survive.
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margrace
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Yes Darcie you are right it sure takes a lot of commitment to attain the ideals presented. Our life style of the rich and famous we all seem to try to attain needs examination first. I know this is not a popular idea but spending the cold in the south and spending our money there and then having the rest of us pay for the health care seems to me to be looked at.
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friendshipgal
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margrace
Jan 2 2016, 06:23 AM
Yes Darcie you are right it sure takes a lot of commitment to attain the ideals presented. Our life style of the rich and famous we all seem to try to attain needs examination first. I know this is not a popular idea but spending the cold in the south and spending our money there and then having the rest of us pay for the health care seems to me to be looked at.
Speak for yourself about attaining life styles of the rich and famous, it's not something I've ever strived for.
The amount of money snowbirds pay for health insurance to Canadian companies will make up for much of any perceived shortfall, the rest would be make up on savings on health care while they are away. Not to mention that snowbirds continue to pay taxes while away.
Edited by friendshipgal, Jan 2 2016, 01:07 PM.
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friendshipgal
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Opening the doors to unfettered immigration/migration/refugees is at best reckless and certainly not compassionate as the host country will eventually sink. No country can take in unlimited numbers, the U.K. is full IMO and entitled to say no more.

There are no jobs for millions more people in any country and the cramped conditions many are living in now will eventually lead to more and more problems. Unlimited welfare and benefits only contribute to a massive underclass, but host countries cannot payout benefits to unlimited numbers of migrants anyway as this would lead to a huge fiscal crisis.

Somehow we all have try to end the wars and bring about peace in Syria which could be attained if the U.S. et al quit trying depose Assad. At the same time they should take joint action to stop ISIS. The multi millions, if not billions, to be spent on paying for the migrants would go a long way to helping to care for the people and help rebuild.
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friendshipgal
Jan 2 2016, 04:56 AM
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Jan 2 2016, 04:33 AM
Over the holidays I was staying at a home where one of the papers delivered is the Sun. It's really a lousy rag. That being said it always pays to wait until the facts come out before buying into something.
You don't like it because it doesn't always support your liberal point of view but it is fortunate that we have a variety of sources to go to.
Please forbear from telling me why I like or do not like something and while you're at it give me some credit for being able to distinguish good writing from bad.
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Bitsy
Jan 2 2016, 05:10 AM
Durgan
Jan 2 2016, 05:06 AM
Surely the long term solution is to settle the refugees in their own environments. What I am suggesting is pour money and infrastructure in the problem countries.

At present there are 12 million refugees in and about Syria. This is only the tip of an iceberg world wide. No effort by Western Nations can even begin to cope by accepting such large numbers, without major disruptions.

A new approach must be presented.
Any suggestions on a new approach?
New approach:
Stop bombing the cities into rubble thus eliminating the REASON for refugees.
There is no need to rebuild infrastructure if it is not destroyed in the first place.
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Jan 3 2016, 02:23 AM
Bitsy
Jan 2 2016, 05:10 AM

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New approach:
Stop bombing the cities into rubble thus eliminating the REASON for refugees.
There is no need to rebuild infrastructure if it is not destroyed in the first place.
That would be my approach however I doubt that is what durgan and FSG have in mind.
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Yes you are probably right Bitsy
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Delphi51
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It strikes me that Assad and the Russians are doing the vast majority of bombing in Syrian cities. Any ideas on how to stop it?

I don't understand the infrastructure problem. Infrastructure must be built wherever these millions of refugees go - why not build it where they are already instead of moving them far from their roots? The problem is to stop the evil bombers and terrorists instead of just giving them all that territory to use as a base for further expansion.
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Delphi51
Jan 3 2016, 07:25 AM
It strikes me that Assad and the Russians are doing the vast majority of bombing in Syrian cities. Any ideas on how to stop it?

I don't understand the infrastructure problem. Infrastructure must be built wherever these millions of refugees go - why not build it where they are already instead of moving them far from their roots? The problem is to stop the evil bombers and terrorists instead of just giving them all that territory to use as a base for further expansion.
Of course that makes sense, but you have to remove the reason why they left first of all.

Do you know how? I suggested dumping the bombers on an island with armed drones as guards.
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Delphi51
Jan 3 2016, 07:25 AM
It strikes me that Assad and the Russians are doing the vast majority of bombing in Syrian cities. Any ideas on how to stop it?

I don't understand the infrastructure problem. Infrastructure must be built wherever these millions of refugees go - why not build it where they are already instead of moving them far from their roots? The problem is to stop the evil bombers and terrorists instead of just giving them all that territory to use as a base for further expansion.
That's the point, if we can stop the bombing as I said earlier, we can help them rebuild their home. How we stop it I don't really know, but there is a U.N. resolution to that effect. The problem is Russia supports Assad while the West wants him removed. Considering that the rebels appear to be as bad or worse than Assad, maybe it would be best to stop the bombing by supporting Assad. As I said earlier in another thread, maybe it was the rebels who used the gas, we don't really know, but Assad at the moment seems to be the lesser of all the evils... At least stopping the bombing and helping to rebuild is a start in the right direction.
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Jan 3 2016, 01:09 PM
Delphi51
Jan 3 2016, 07:25 AM
It strikes me that Assad and the Russians are doing the vast majority of bombing in Syrian cities. Any ideas on how to stop it?

I don't understand the infrastructure problem. Infrastructure must be built wherever these millions of refugees go - why not build it where they are already instead of moving them far from their roots? The problem is to stop the evil bombers and terrorists instead of just giving them all that territory to use as a base for further expansion.
That's the point, if we can stop the bombing as I said earlier, we can help them rebuild their home. How we stop it I don't really know, but there is a U.N. resolution to that effect. The problem is Russia supports Assad while the West wants him removed. Considering that the rebels appear to be as bad or worse than Assad, maybe it would be best to stop the bombing by supporting Assad. As I said earlier in another thread, maybe it was the rebels who used the gas, we don't really know, but Assad at the moment seems to be the lesser of all the evils... At least stopping the bombing and helping to rebuild is a start in the right direction.
:dog_laught.gif: sound like what Trudeau has in mind.............stop the bombing............. :dog_laught.gif:
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