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Shame on Us.
Topic Started: Jan 7 2016, 03:29 AM (1,116 Views)
Darcie	Jan 7 2016, 03:29 AM Post #1
Skeptic Posts: 31,154 Group: Member Member #714 Joined: March 30, 2010	At least 2,250 veterans are homeless, according to groundbreaking analysis Quote: For what's believed to be the first time, the federal government has estimated how many of Canada's homeless are former soldiers — but the department that compiled the report warns the data is far from complete. The March 2015 study by Employment and Social Development Canada estimates that 2,250 former soldiers use shelters on regular basis, about 2.7 per cent of the total homeless population that uses temporary lodging. Justin Trudeau promises $300 million plan for veterans Liberals pledge to re-open regional veterans affairs offices The information in the report, released to The Canadian Press under the Access to Information Act, comes from a database that tracks 60 emergency shelters across the country and added veterans as an identifiable category in 2014. "It's shocking in Canada that we would have any veteran who is homeless, but it is a sad reality," Gen. Jonathan Vance, the country's top military commander, said in an interview with The Canadian Press. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/2250-canadian-veterans-homeless-1.3390674?cmp=rss&cid=news-digests-canada-and-world-morning What hypocrites we are, all that pretense of supporting veterans.



friendshipgal	Jan 7 2016, 03:55 AM Post #2
Guess everyone wants their own Trudashians Posts: 12,815 Group: Member Member #241 Joined: February 12, 2006	Well, more money is being spent now on refugees than on any homeless people.



FuzzyO	Jan 7 2016, 04:02 AM Post #3
Posts: 16,968 Group: Administration Member #710 Joined: March 30, 2010	"Well, more money is being spent now on refugees than on any homeless people." Except of course that the refugees are themselves homeless.



friendshipgal	Jan 7 2016, 04:29 AM Post #4
Guess everyone wants their own Trudashians Posts: 12,815 Group: Member Member #241 Joined: February 12, 2006	No so those being brought over here. They are going to homes or hotel accommodations with an allowance and meals paid for. They weren't homeless where they came from either. These people had allready reached sanctuary e.g. Jordan & Lebanon, they had options of where to go and where in no immediate danger.



Darcie	Jan 7 2016, 04:33 AM Post #5
Skeptic Posts: 31,154 Group: Member Member #714 Joined: March 30, 2010	When we had the CPC we did not have refugees, but we still had the homeless veterans. Oh what a web we weave when we practice to deceive. What say ye FG?



friendshipgal	Jan 7 2016, 07:58 AM Post #6
Guess everyone wants their own Trudashians Posts: 12,815 Group: Member Member #241 Joined: February 12, 2006	Darcie Jan 7 2016, 04:33 AM When we had the CPC we did not have refugees, but we still had the homeless veterans. Oh what a web we weave when we practice to deceive. What say ye FG? Not sure what you mean, if you mean Canada did not bring in any refugees under the CPC that is not true. I know that from Cit. & Imm. website over 2300 Syrian refugees were settled during the first 8 months of 2015. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canada-s-refugees-by-the-numbers-the-data-1.3240640#arrivals As we know, it's just not possible to bring in thousands in a short time frame, and it's a numbers game, numbers which tend to depend on your ideology or partisanship. Not to mention there are many who don't want to come. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/why-some-syrian-refugees-decline-canadas-resettlement-offer/article27985618/



Darcie	Jan 7 2016, 12:41 PM Post #7
Skeptic Posts: 31,154 Group: Member Member #714 Joined: March 30, 2010	Quote: “An outcome of the combination of fewer staff, lower efficiency gains and increased number of medically releasing members has been an increase in the case load per (veterans case manager),” the report said. The former Conservative government boarded up nine regional veterans offices, saying they were being under-utilized — a decision that sparked a public outcry, with the Liberals promising to re-open the offices. http://www.nationalobserver.com/2016/01/06/news/least-2250-veterans-homeless-canada-study-finds Edited by Darcie, Jan 7 2016, 12:42 PM.



Delphi51	Jan 7 2016, 02:06 PM Post #8
Member title Posts: 13,967 Group: Administration Member #441 Joined: October 10, 2006	I recall a discussion of this several years ago when it was in the news that some vets were living in the bush on Vancouver Island. They wanted to be away from people.



Durgan	Jan 7 2016, 02:42 PM Post #9
Veteran Member Posts: 13,273 Group: Gardening Guru Member #720 Joined: March 31, 2010	Never in the history of Canada has such a generation of veterans done so much whining. The homeless vets were probably only housed properly when they joined the military, meaning they would be homeless anyway due to their walk of life. I might add booze induced mostly.



Darcie	Jan 7 2016, 03:51 PM Post #10
Skeptic Posts: 31,154 Group: Member Member #714 Joined: March 30, 2010	Veterans Affairs Canada hiring hundreds of new workers Quote: The hundreds of Veterans Affairs Canada workers cut under the previous Conservative government are in the process of being replaced. Case managers, client service agents and disability benefits officers are among the positions currently being filled according to Carl Gannon, the national president of the Union of Veterans Affairs Employees. At least 2,250 veterans are homeless, analysis shows "We've seen cuts of close to a 1,000, with a vast majority of those front-line staff, so we need to beef up the front line again," said Gannon. "Because the reality is, where the department is right now, we're not in a position to uphold that mandate. In his mandate letter to Veterans' Affairs Minister Kent Hehr, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said a priority will be to "re-open the nine Veterans Affairs service offices recently closed, hire more service delivery staff, and fully implement all of the Auditor General's recommendations on enhancing mental health service delivery to veterans." http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/veterans-affairs-canada-hires-hundreds-of-new-workers-1.3390858?cmp=rss&cid=news-digests-ottawa Lets hope it's not too late for them all.



campy	Jan 7 2016, 08:15 PM Post #11
Handyman Extraordinaire Posts: 28,720 Group: no politics Member #204 Joined: February 2, 2006	Darcie Jan 7 2016, 04:33 AM When we had the CPC we did not have refugees, but we still had the homeless veterans. Oh what a web we weave when we practice to deceive. What say ye FG? Now we have both? Why not extend the same courtesies to the veterans as the refugees? There's only 2500 not 25000. Hmmn? Hiring more government staff is going to help them.? Oh yes. I'm from the government and I'm hereto help yo 300 million to be spent reopening offices? Suggestion. Take the 300 million and divide it among the homeless veterans. Lets see 300 million divided by 2250 = a 134,000 home for each veteran. Edited by campy, Jan 7 2016, 08:24 PM.



friendshipgal	Jan 8 2016, 03:42 AM Post #12
Guess everyone wants their own Trudashians Posts: 12,815 Group: Member Member #241 Joined: February 12, 2006	campy Jan 7 2016, 08:15 PM Now we have both? ............... 300 million to be spent reopening offices? Suggestion. Take the 300 million and divide it among the homeless veterans. Lets see 300 million divided by 2250 = a 134,000 home for each veteran. We've always had both, but the politically expedient thing to do now is to spend the money on refugees. As I showed earlier Canada did and always has brought in refugees, but now it's the main issue of the day as all homelessness is put aside. That's the question isn't it though, millions spent and to be spent on refugees and billions sent overseas. And now, our gov't tells us that even if ISIS attacked, they won't respond, they won't protect us. :MapleLeaf: Maybe the homeless people should declare themselves refugees. Edited by friendshipgal, Jan 8 2016, 03:56 AM.



Olive Oil	Jan 8 2016, 05:02 AM Post #13
Gold Star Member Posts: 4,747 Group: Member Member #785 Joined: June 10, 2010	friendshipgal Jan 8 2016, 03:42 AM campy Jan 7 2016, 08:15 PM Now we have both? ............... That's the question isn't it though, millions spent and to be spent on refugees and billions sent overseas. And now, our gov't tells us that even if ISIS attacked, they won't respond, they won't protect us. :MapleLeaf:



Olive Oil	Jan 8 2016, 05:06 AM Post #14
Gold Star Member Posts: 4,747 Group: Member Member #785 Joined: June 10, 2010	Would you like to cite a source for this statement?



Delphi51	Jan 8 2016, 04:56 PM Post #15
Member title Posts: 13,967 Group: Administration Member #441 Joined: October 10, 2006	I think vets have pretty good reason to have our respect and the best treatment available. They volunteered to risk their lives (especially their limbs) for our national objectives, at rather low pay and very long hours. Then there is living with explosive devices designed to maim, being shot at and trying to figure out who to protect and who to shoot back at. On the whole I'm pretty sure it is far worse than residential schools. The Harper government did a poor job of it. Nice to see a big improvement starting now.



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