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| Topic Started: Jan 7 2016, 03:29 AM (1,119 Views) | |
| Darcie | Jan 7 2016, 03:29 AM Post #1 |
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At least 2,250 veterans are homeless, according to groundbreaking analysis
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/2250-canadian-veterans-homeless-1.3390674?cmp=rss&cid=news-digests-canada-and-world-morning What hypocrites we are, all that pretense of supporting veterans. |
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| Dana | Jan 9 2016, 07:22 AM Post #31 |
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Seems to me that animosity arrives when people have no facts to back their opinions. No one is obliged to attend political discussions here . I think we know by now that no one's opinion was ever changed radically in any of these discussions but without facts the talk is empty, merely hot air. |
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| Delphi51 | Jan 9 2016, 12:31 PM Post #32 |
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The gent on the CBC radio show this morning said that figure was arrived at by canvassing shelters but most vets rarely go to them. They like to stay away from people, especially cities because of the bad experiences in Cyprus, Afghanistan, etc. Listen to it here: http://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/the-current-for-january-8-2015-1.3394962/thousands-of-veterans-in-canada-amongst-the-hidden-homeless-1.3395092 Edited by Delphi51, Jan 9 2016, 12:34 PM.
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| friendshipgal | Jan 9 2016, 12:34 PM Post #33 |
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Guess everyone wants their own Trudashians
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Animosity arrives when people don't like what is presented if it doesn't fit their version of 'facts', just note where they originate from, and not the first time. As for money on refugees vs. the homeless, it's a no brainer at refugees 1.2 billion over 6 years (and counting) Homeless people - 0. At least 0 if you don't count the cost of running shelters. Refugees get a one time start up payment of 25K per family, something not given to homeless people or people wanting to come off welfare to make a start. Shelters are a temporary refuge which homeless people avoid if they can. http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/11/19/cost-of-syrian-refugee-plan-pegged-at-12b-over-six-years.html[/quote] Edited by friendshipgal, Jan 9 2016, 12:47 PM.
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| Bitsy | Jan 10 2016, 02:28 AM Post #34 |
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There is a huge discrepancy in your comment and these two studies.
http://lookoutsociety.ca/understanding-homelessness/cost-of-homelessness/the-real-cost-of-homelessness-in-canada
http://www.homelesshub.ca/blog/ending-homelessness-cost |
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| wildie | Jan 10 2016, 06:02 PM Post #35 |
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I agree about it being booze induced. I'm not a teatotaler but I cashed out of the military life out of concern for the alcohol culture. I was sure in my own mind, that if I stayed with the military life, that alcoholism lay ahead. Although I have continued to imbibe, my consumption hasn't interfered with my ability to hold down a job. |
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| Trotsky | Jan 11 2016, 01:29 AM Post #36 |
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If there is ONE homeless person or ONE jobless person then the appropriate number of new immigrants to be imported should be ZERO until such time that the jobless and homes people have their problem solved. You don't put out a fire by tossing gasoline on it. In the same vein you don't solve homelessness by bringing in people who need homes. Nor do you solve employment unavailability by bringing in hoards of people without jobs. Edited by Trotsky, Jan 11 2016, 01:32 AM.
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| campy | Jan 11 2016, 06:27 AM Post #37 |
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Next year at this time we will still have the homeless no matter on how much money is spent on it. |
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| swing | Jan 11 2016, 11:58 AM Post #38 |
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I agree about it being booze induced. I'm not a teatotaler but I cashed out of the military life out of concern for the alcohol culture. Could it be that the messes provided "cheap booze" plus the isolation from family and friends. It was a way of life, of entertainment. I speak only from a similar experience in a militaristic organization! The more isolated postings created more "alcohol abuse". |
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| Trotsky | Jan 11 2016, 12:09 PM Post #39 |
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wildie, Is it possible that the fault was in the "militaristic organization" that spawned the drinking? Might it be said that militarism breeds inhumanity? It is, after all, a system that abhors independent thought and action, thus the perfect milieu that might cause a person to accept living on the street or in the trenches or foxholes or in dirty tunnels. The first goal of basic training is to bust a "grunt's" ego to smithereens and put him back together as an empty shell with no will of his own to do anything but OBEY. Alcoholism is a likely consequence rather than a cause of this personality destruction. In any case, congratulations on having the good sense to get out. Edited by Trotsky, Jan 11 2016, 12:25 PM.
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| heatseeker | Jan 11 2016, 12:29 PM Post #40 |
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It would be nice to see posts with links showing facts about spending on homeless people and refugees, rather than "you're always wrong" posts. This one is very interesting. I'd like to see people posting links to bolster assertions on stuff like this. Not sure if it would reduce arguments, but it would be a lot more informative than much of what we are getting now. It is not a lot of work to do this. |
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| Darcie | Jan 11 2016, 12:46 PM Post #41 |
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Former ombudsman ‘gob-smacked’ it took Ottawa five years to track homeless vets
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/former-ombudsman-gob-smacked-it-took-ottawa-five-years-to-track-homeless-vets/article28100058/?click=sf_globefb Just for information |
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| campy | Jan 11 2016, 03:18 PM Post #42 |
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If in doubt and you need a link. Just ask. Some people speak from experience. It's kind of boring to see "partisan" links quoted. And the absolute worse is a link to a You Tube video about half an hour long or longer. Edited by campy, Jan 11 2016, 03:21 PM.
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| friendshipgal | Jan 12 2016, 04:45 AM Post #43 |
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Guess everyone wants their own Trudashians
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You might find this interesting Trotsky, I thought this was a joke when I read it… a chronic shortage of employees. Does this mean that none of the unemployed Canadians are applying for a job, even in Alberta. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/maple-leaf-syrian-refugees-1.3394097 Maple Leaf Foods Inc. is offering to hire Syrian refugees to fill vacant jobs at two of its meat plants. The company, like others in Canada's meat sector, is dealing with a chronic shortage of employees that has been exacerbated by restrictions placed on the temporary foreign worker program. "We would be very pleased and honoured to be part of the solution in terms of helping find employment for the Syrian refugees," said Rory McAlpine, a senior vice-president at Maple Leaf. "We have jobs available." McAlpine said initially Maple Leaf could hire 25 refugees at its pork plant in Brandon, Man., and about 10 at its smaller operation in Lethbridge, Alta. |
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| swing | Jan 12 2016, 06:36 AM Post #44 |
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You might find this interesting Trotsky, I thought this was a joke when I read it… a chronic shortage of employees. Does this mean that none of the unemployed Canadians are applying for a job, even in Alberta. I find this unbelievable as well but only 10 positions in Lethbridge, the remainder in Brandon Manitoba which is about 700 miles from Calgary. There would have to be a substantial financial benefit for someone to make that house hold move. |
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| friendshipgal | Jan 12 2016, 06:55 AM Post #45 |
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True, I doubt they are high paying jobs, but there must be at least 10 people unemployed in Lethbridge. Brandon, Manitoba has unemployment and I understand that unemployment among working age aboriginal people is 3 times higher. Maybe they should be working at attracting and training those people first. I'd like to know if they are getting applications or any interest at all from Canadians in those jobs, and if not why not? |
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