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Dogs rounding up sheep; central North Island
Topic Started: Feb 15 2016, 09:29 AM (181 Views)
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When visiting NZ, evertime I saw sheep being moved by dogs, I would stop the car and watch for a long time. A most interesting sight. The first time I saw such was in Scotland, but nothing like the number encountered in NZ.
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It's a science in itself Durgan! Good dogs are worth their weight in gold!
You'll have heard the whistled commands then?

Brings to mind a funny story my uncle told me ... he was was in the Navy during the war, then returned to teaching and then as a Presbyterian minister after that ... a farmer he knew was renown for having a vast repertoire of bad language and real stentorian voice who was well known locally for berating his hill country dogs. An old friend of my uncle remonstrated with him about this and was told 'Could you do any better?' The old man then raised his voice using normal polite language and simply with the tone was able to control the dogs.

Perhaps the lesson was for me? ... but it went right over my head at that time, but I have remembered the story.
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A river of sheep.
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I saw both the hand signals with a man on horseback and the whistle. Truly a beautiful sight. The flocks in NZ are huge. I estimated one flock around 10,000 by block counting being moved. We also attended the fine show in Rotorura. Two of my daughters and me. A fun show.
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Visit the Agrodome in Rotorua
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Feb 15 2016, 10:46 AM
A wonderful show.
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I saw the show "Babe", does that count ? Actually, we owned a border collie, and the herding instinct affects them all the time, he used to try and herd other dogs.
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Wasn't 'Babe' a pig?
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Feb 15 2016, 10:57 AM
.... we owned a border collie, and the herding instinct affects them all the time, he used to try and herd other dogs.
There are different breeds for different tasks. The Border Collie for flat land herding and the Huntaway for hill country.

The Huntaway is a large, strongly built breed of dog used for general sheep herding tasks in New Zealand, where they originate, but especially for driving sheep away from the shepherd, hence their name. They are usually black and tan coloured and were bred to use their loud, deep bark to herd sheep. The breed is relatively new, dating as a distinct breed from the late 19th century. Dogs that win at trials may be registered by the New Zealand Sheep Dog Trial Association in their studbook, but the breed does not have a defined appearance or lineage, and is distinguished only on working ability.

Huntaways generally live to around 12 to 14 years of age. They are generally very healthy, but some inheritable diseases have been identified in them, and are publicised to allow this to be monitored. They are intelligent, friendly, very energetic, active dogs that require a lot of exercise. They have been bred to muster in the hills and mountains of New Zealand where it is difficult to walk or ride, so worded commands and whistles are used to communicate commands to these dogs when they are at a distance. They are well known for being a noisy dog, especially when working.

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Huntaway Zig Zag uphill

Collie Crosses on flat land
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Feb 15 2016, 11:10 AM
Wasn't 'Babe' a pig?
Yup, and a darn smart one holysheep.gif :winking71:


We've been to a couple dog trials, and it is hypnotic to see how the dogs listen and control the sheep.
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Sheep counting language has long fascinated me:
Yan, Tan Tethe Mether Pip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiXINuf5nbI#t=234

More:
1 2 3 4 5
Keswick. yan tyan tethera methera pimp.
Westmorland. yan tyan tetherie peddera gip.
Eskdale. yaena taena teddera meddera pimp.
Millom. aina peina para pedera pimp.
High Furness. yan taen tedderte medderte pimp
Wasdale. yan taen tudder anudder nimph
Teesdale. yan tean tetherma metherma pip
Swaledale yahn tayhn tether mether mimp(h)
Wensleydale yan tean tither mither pip
Ayrshire yinty tinty tetheri metheri bamf

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6 7 8 9 0 15
Keswick sethera lethera hovera dovera dick bumfit
Westmorland teezie mithy katra hornie dick bumfit
Eskdale hofa lofa seckera leckera dec bumfit
Millom ithy mithy owera lowera dig bumfit
High Furness haata slaata lowera dowra dick mimph
Wasdale ..........not given.........................
Teesdale lezar azar catrah horna dick bumfit
Swaledale hith-her lith-her anver danver dic mimphit
Wensleydale teaser leaser catra horna dick bumper
Ayrshire leetera seetera over dover dik - -

Among childrenfs counting out games they found the following; observe these seem to count in fours, probably to suit the rhyme
[Edinburgh]"Inty, tinty, tethery, methery; Bank for over, dover, ding .."
[London] "Eena, deena, dus; cattala, wheela, wheila, wus; spit, spot, must be done.
[Universal] "Eeny, meeny, miney, moe; Catch a nigger by his toe".

Scores have even been found in a number of places in U.S.A.
[Cincinnati] een, teen, tother, feather, fib, soter, oter, poter, debber, dick
[Vermont] eeni, teni, tudheri, fedheri, fip, saidher, taidher, koadher, daidher, dik
These were probably taken to the new world by Cumbrian settlers !!

http://www.lakelanddialectsociety.org/counting_sheep.htm
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