What irrational hate looks like.

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What irrational hate looks like.
Topic Started: Jun 23 2016, 04:19 AM (729 Views)
Darcie	Jun 23 2016, 04:19 AM Post #1
Skeptic Posts: 31,154 Group: Member Member #714 Joined: March 30, 2010	London Police arrest 38-year-old woman after grocery store attack on hijab-wearing Muslim woman Posted Image Quote: Police have made an arrest in connection with the Monday attack against a Muslim mom at a London grocery store. On Tuesday police released a picture of the suspect, asking for the public's help in identifying her. News of the incident sparked outrage on social media and cast London into national headlines. After receiving multiple tips about the suspect’s identity and whereabouts through public efforts, police charged a 38-year-old woman. She was arrested at 10 p.m. Tuesday night. http://www.lfpress.com/2016/06/22/london-police-arrest-38-year-old-woman-after-grocery-store-attack-on-hijab-wearing-muslim-woman Sad - this is not the attention Canada wants or needs.

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Darcie	Jul 2 2016, 03:12 AM Post #31
Skeptic Posts: 31,154 Group: Member Member #714 Joined: March 30, 2010	FuzzyO Jul 2 2016, 03:03 AM I understood the reason they did not publish her identity was to protect her. I also understood quite clearly from the media reports that it was NOT being investigated as a hate crime. And that is because..... she did it out of love? I am tired of our country taking and keeping criminals. Some aren't immigrants but people who have rejected their citizenship. Violence should not be tolerated, for any reason except for self defense.



FuzzyO	Jul 2 2016, 03:42 AM Post #32
Posts: 16,968 Group: Administration Member #710 Joined: March 30, 2010	No, obviously not out of love, but hate crime suggests racism or a similar motive. For all we know she thought the woman in the hijab had an affair with her husband or something. Or she may simply be one of those random batty people we all encounter at one time or another.



friendshipgal	Jul 2 2016, 06:44 AM Post #33
Guess everyone wants their own Trudashians Posts: 12,815 Group: Member Member #241 Joined: February 12, 2006	While I'm not condoning the behaviour in anyway, it probably isn’t too far fetched to believe that an Iranian Muslim woman was upset (putting it mildly) when she saw another Muslim woman abetting and condoning the reason she left Iran by wearing the hijab, or repudiating the freedom she has found in Canada. Not to mention when the attacker is also Muslim so I guess the media doesn't believe it’s worth a story, or have time correct their narrative. Darcie I am tired of our country taking and keeping criminals. Some aren't immigrants but people who have rejected their citizenship. I'm not clear about: ' people who have rejected their citizenship' what citizenship, the country they left behind ?



Darcie	Jul 2 2016, 08:24 AM Post #34
Skeptic Posts: 31,154 Group: Member Member #714 Joined: March 30, 2010	FuzzyO Jul 2 2016, 03:42 AM No, obviously not out of love, but hate crime suggests racism or a similar motive. For all we know she thought the woman in the hijab had an affair with her husband or something. Or she may simply be one of those random batty people we all encounter at one time or another. I have never encountered a woman that attacked someone who was holding a baby, have encountered a man who did this? Do we know what her issue was, apart from the fact that she looked like a muslim?



blizzard	Jul 2 2016, 02:10 PM Post #35
Gold Star Member Posts: 4,152 Group: Member Member #1,012 Joined: July 8, 2013	I could not find any indication the woman arrested for assault is a Muslim, nor any religion for those matter. She could be a member of one of the minority religions in Iran (if indeed she is from Iran). If she did indeed have a Farsi speaking translator for her court appearance all we know is that she speaks Farsi. Yes, I watched the link, not a news group I would consider the best, however, if Farsi speaking all we can assume is that that she might be of Iranian descent. Not definitely. I agree that it may have been an irrational attack, whether hate related or not is difficult to say. Either way, it was wrong. Religion, ethnicity, citizenship should not play a part in why it occurred. I speak from experience. I was attacked when in my 20s. Completely out of the blue. Full on power punch to my face. I was in a laundromat. Was I attacked because I was female, Caucasian, doing laundry, or for some other unfathomable reason? I have no idea, I never did find out. Back then the police just took troublemakers to the outskirts of Terrace or some such place. No court appearance, nothing resolved, no idea who the individual was nor why I was attacked. Was it a racial attack, quite possibly. I escaped the laundromat, was chased, the only people nearby egged him on because I was "a white bitch". The little I did learn was that he had been drunk and high on some drug. The issue of 'race' or 'faith' is often exacerbated by some trigger because societies everywhere blocks equality and diversity. Get rid of inequality and maybe, just maybe there will eventually be less harm to all. Oh darn, I was wearing my rose tinted glasses. Sorry for torrential tirade. I am just sick of people blaming people based on a whole society.



FuzzyO	Jul 2 2016, 02:52 PM Post #36
Posts: 16,968 Group: Administration Member #710 Joined: March 30, 2010	Darcie Jul 2 2016, 08:24 AM FuzzyO Jul 2 2016, 03:42 AM No, obviously not out of love, but hate crime suggests racism or a similar motive. For all we know she thought the woman in the hijab had an affair with her husband or something. Or she may simply be one of those random batty people we all encounter at one time or another. I have never encountered a woman that attacked someone who was holding a baby, have encountered a man who did this? Do we know what her issue was, apart from the fact that she looked like a muslim? We don't even know if the issue was that the victim looked like a Muslim. Nothing has been published that suggests a reason. Unprovoked attacks are often the manifestation of a mental illness.



Shorty	Jul 2 2016, 07:49 PM Post #37
Red Star Member Posts: 2,301 Group: Member Member #1,150 Joined: February 12, 2015	The way the media described the attack we've presumed that it was unprovoked. She had a baby and the attacker was pulling on her hijab. That doesn't make her innocent. She may have said something to the attacker. If I were attacked I wouldn't have the clarity to pull out my phone camera. I don't mean to imply that she's innocent of the attack. I'm just annoyed at the media who more times have distorted the facts to write a story that sells.



angora	Jul 3 2016, 02:19 AM Post #38
WWS Book Club Coordinator Posts: 14,494 Group: Member Member #717 Joined: March 31, 2010	I think I read that after a spit from the perp, the victim slapped the perp in the face. If I am correct that could have provoked further attack. Let me know if I misread the blurb.



Darcie	Jul 3 2016, 02:46 AM Post #39
Skeptic Posts: 31,154 Group: Member Member #714 Joined: March 30, 2010	Funny how we all have comments as to why this is OK because this occurred between two visible minorities and a Muslim. If this occurred between two non-visible Canadians I wonder what the comments would be. Just imagine what you would say if you saw this and what you would think? It is no different, there is not a different excuse because they are of a different religion or because they dress differently or because they are new Canadians. JMHO



angora	Jul 3 2016, 02:52 AM Post #40
WWS Book Club Coordinator Posts: 14,494 Group: Member Member #717 Joined: March 31, 2010	I wasnt commenting on their ethnicity or race. I thought it sounded like a tit for tat that got out of hand. Could happen to any group or non group.



Darcie	Jul 3 2016, 03:08 AM Post #41
Skeptic Posts: 31,154 Group: Member Member #714 Joined: March 30, 2010	You think that? When a Muslim's woman head scarf is pulled off? IMHO that says a lot, the attacker knew what the religious significance meant. I just can't ignore that fact.



FuzzyO	Jul 3 2016, 03:10 AM Post #42
Posts: 16,968 Group: Administration Member #710 Joined: March 30, 2010	Is anyone saying this is OK? It certainly isn't OK to go out shopping and end up with your teeth chipped and your clothing pulled off!



angora	Jul 3 2016, 04:31 AM Post #43
WWS Book Club Coordinator Posts: 14,494 Group: Member Member #717 Joined: March 31, 2010	As far as I know no one is saying it is ok. I think I'm just trying to fit the pieces together and, as always, trying to get it to make sense to me. I consider that there are two people x and y. I dont know anything about them. x spits at y and y slaps x. Things escalate. That's all I have to go on. Also, I believe the baby (little x) was in the stroller according to what I read, not in x's arms.



FuzzyO	Jul 3 2016, 07:55 AM Post #44
Posts: 16,968 Group: Administration Member #710 Joined: March 30, 2010	Sorry Angora, it was Darcie who commented that people think it is OK: "Funny how we all have comments as to why this is OK because this occurred between two visible minorities and a Muslim."



angora	Jul 3 2016, 08:27 AM Post #45
WWS Book Club Coordinator Posts: 14,494 Group: Member Member #717 Joined: March 31, 2010	I got muddled, not an unusual occurrence. lol



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