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HeartGold & SoulSilver - Generation IV; Because they deserve their own topic!
Topic Started: Sep 12 2009, 08:43 PM (2,433 Views)
PikaFlash
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I wanted to reply, but I hesitated because I wasn't so sure of the words I want to use.

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Charizard could have Flamethrower, Fly, Thunderpunch...maybe Focus Blast or something


Focus Blast is only good if you have an accuracy increasing item on your Charizard. Perhaps your Zard's 4th attack should be either Brick Break, Iron Tail, Metal Claw, Steel Wing or just for kicks, Solarbeam. And if your Charizard's Hidden Power is Grass, because that could be useful as well.
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Blue Bongo
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Because I forgot that it's only the females that can evolve into Vespiquen. I was thinking of Burmy/Mothim/Wormadon for some reason.

The second and third place were Scyther and Pinsir.

And, if they go on health, that's stupid, because it's almost impossible to catch either a Scyther or a Pinsir without weakening it first. We learned that lesson in the Kanto Safari Zone. It should be the way it used to be back in the days of G/S/C and getting the rarest. I mean, it's wrong that you can win something like that with a Wurmple.

I didn't teach my Honchkrow Fly. So, I have to get a Hoothoot out every time I want to go places. I think 'Krow knows Wing Attack (Decently powerful, lot of PP, STAB), Night Slash (Powerful, Honchkrow has high attack) Faint Attack (Doesn't miss) and Haze. (Just in case the opponent raises their stats to a stupid level.)

Don't think I've found any shards. Maybe I haven't been looking. Don't even know where the tutors are.

That's a point. I should head to the Battle Frontier at some point. Not been yet.

You name your Honchkrow Krowa by any chance, Psyduck? Just out of interest. Ah, I'd be willing to bet you didn't.

With a Charizard, I think Solarbeam would be okay if it knew Sunny Day. Otherwise, it might be a bit of a waste. Steel Wing, I don't like for the accuracy. Same with Metal Claw and Iron Tail. Actually, what is it about steel type attacks having horrible accuracy? But, Brick Break could work.
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PikaFlash
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I agree that it sucks that HP is now a factor in the Bug Catching contests. That eliminates the use of my Flase Swipe Scizor. Perhaps using a Pokémon that knows attacks like Sleep Power or Hypnosis could help in winning the contest. I did try that out with a Butterfree I caught during a previous countest, but I got 1-hit KOed by a higher-level Pinsir. :'(

Oh, and I don't really need flying-types to fly anywhere anymore because I caught myself a Pikachu that knows Fly from the Yellow Forest.

And since we're talking about movesets, I have a Ninetales in my SoulSilver game that knows Extrasensory, Faint Attack, Energy Ball and Flamethrower. What kinds of changes to this moveset would you recommend?
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I'd go with Focus Blast over a Physical option because Charizard is much more special-orientated. I know its accuracy isn't the friendliest, but I used it on my Mr. Mime in Diamond and it works well enough.

Steel is a pointless type. Ice and Rock coverage? Already got Ice down, so anything else that's good for Rock is a better option. Fighting even covers both of them, and more. Plus, again, those are all Physical moves.

Yeah, I tend not to go with Solar Beam, unless it's a rare case where I decide Sunny Day is worth it - a very rare case.

I'm not that keen on Hidden Power, although it does help when there's someone who can tell you what the type is. Electric...maybe I'll go with it over Thunderpunch, although knowing the power would be nice...

Back in the days of GSC they also used HP to calculate it. Lol. I just get my Jumpluff busting out the Sleep Powder.

I go with sweepers pretty much always, personally. I like to make sure my team has total type coverage...except Water/Dragon...lousy Kingdra and Palkia...

Well the Move Tutor guys in this are outside the Battle Frontier and want BP, meaning you need to win even more to get that moveset. Shards are now found in Rock Smash rocks and exchanged in Violet or Fuchsia with the jugglers for berries.

Battle Frontier is awesome. Identical to Platinum, but still, awesome.

Heh, well, I only give nicknames in a game where I nickname ALL my Pokémon, and this wasn't one. The maleness of Honchkrow also detracts from the value of that name, although I could always go with Murky... (You have to be a really dedicated fan to properly get fully understand that...)

Nice on the Pikachu front. I miss my Poké Walker...

Wow, nice moveset, well done for breeding. You'll make Ninetales happy if you ditch Faint Attack for Dark Pulse. Otherwise, care to trade?
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PikaFlash
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Jun 17 2010, 09:37 PM
Nice on the Pikachu front. I miss my Poké Walker...

Wow, nice moveset, well done for breeding. You'll make Ninetales happy if you ditch Faint Attack for Dark Pulse. Otherwise, care to trade?
I'd keep my Faint Attack because my Ninetales has better Atk than SP.Atk. And I realized that Koga's Muk tends to use minimize a lot just to be an annoyance, it would be nice to keep a move that will always hit. As for trading, I might have to breed another one using my Male Ninetales who has that moveset.

So, how did you lose your PokéWalker?
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He dropped it in a field.

Focus Blast only has five PP right? Either that, or ten. Anyway, if four out of the five are going to miss then what's the point? Of course if it's ten, at least three of them are likely to miss. I don't know, I prefer accuracy over power sometimes.

Steel does have the redeeming feature that it resists dragon type attacks. Something not many other types do. Although

There are better grass type attacks than Solarbeam. Maybe not power wise, but... used carefully, Petal Dance can work better than Solarbeam. Personally, I like Razor Leaf. High critical hit rate, good accuracy, decent power. Grass Knot, Energy Ball.

Wasn't Murky Krowa's brother?

I never noticed in the old GSC era that they used HP. Stlll think it makes no sense.

Hiding them in Rock Smash rocks? That's just low. There's not a more pointless move out there than bloody Rock Smash, wasting up a spot in one of the movesets.
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Wow, that sucks. Working hard on all that breeding just to get one with a crappy nature...

Four out of five misses? It's not an OHKO move, you know. It has fairly decent accuracy, 70. There are people who use Fire Blast, Thunder, Blizzard etc. on the back of that. 3 of them likely to miss if it's 10? It's not cumulative. Having a 70% accuracy doesn't mean 70% of attacks will hit. It means that any given attack has 70%. If it hits one time, it's still 70% next turn, and the same if it misses. And I'd love to go with an alternative Special Fighting move, but unfortunately Charizard can't learn Aura Sphere.

I meant for attacking. Defensively, Steel types are great. Indeed, they're the ONLY types that resist Dragon, so Dialga and any future Pokémon of its type are the only Dragons that won't be weak to themselves. But offensively, it sucks, and that's the matter at hand here.

I don't like moves that confuse the user, like Petal Dance. I try to avoid negative side effects usually. Although I do love Sudowoodo with Wood Hammer...and Rock Head...

55 Power? Too low for me, my ABSOLUTE cut-off point is 60, and even then it has to have a very nice secondary effect. I know, high critical hit ratio, but meh. Grass Knot's too unreliable. True, most of the Pokémon you'd use it on are very heavy, but some aren't so much...

Either way, Charizard can't learn any of them.

Indeed, but how do you know that? I never gave Murky's name in fic.

It's to make it more of a challenge. You can't just wait 'til it's in the red, you have to be smarter. Or luckier :P

There are plenty of crappier moves. HM05 is a prime example. It doesn't matter which, pick one, they're all worse. At least they upped the base power to 40. That, and the whopping 50% chance of lowering Defence make it actually a decent move during the early parts of the game when you need it most. True, it's a drag through Victory Road, but whatever. But Mist, Haze - what the hell is that crap!?

Plus, putting them there just mean you get more from using that HM, they're making it even more worthwhile. Plus, there are very, very few areas of the game where you need it. Mostly, there are just random rocks scattered at a few places - like Ruins of Alph, you've seen them - that aren't in the way that can be smashed, and are near to a Pokémon Centre so you can just switch something in when you want to try and get fossils or shards or Pokémon or whatever.
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Blue Bongo
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How did I know about Murky? Well, I'm flipping awesomely perceptive.

And, I might have seen it in the Monsters of Johto section.

Dude, I still don't consider 70% accuracy that good. There's still just less than half a chance it'll miss.
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"Just less". 20%. Really? :\

EDIT: Playing with blocks in the Safari Zone. I wanted a Lunatone to get ready...doubt I'll use it in HGSS, maybe for the Frontier, but hey, I'll have a well trained one ready for whenever I do want it, in whatever game. I think I've got them worked out now...

Decided, whilst I've paid 500 to get the Safari Balls, might as well try for other stuff too...so, whilst trying to get a Pachirisu...level 47, to be precise...it'll make a lovely Emonga one day :)

We want...a shrubbery!

Ten, to be precise.
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Blue Bongo
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You want a shrubbery?

All I can say is... Ni ni ni.
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Psyduck Ranger
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WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Figured this was the most appropriate place for it.

Europe are getting the legendary beasts! On Wifi, so no worries about finding the right shop! From 7th February onwards. No word on whether or not we'll get all three like America, possibly one at a time, or just one at random like Japan (if that happens I'd want Raikou, Zap Cannon & Aura Sphere? Then give it Rain Dance and it's got a nice Weather Ball...might switch Zap Cannon for Thunder then...), but hey, we're getting them. Meaning we get the Zoroark event in BW.

We're also getting the Celebi! No specific details yet, but we're getting it! :D We're getting Zorua in BW and Giovanni in HGSS!! Squee!
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Does anyone have a siuggestion on what moves I should teach my Dragonair in my Soul Silver game?
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Psyduck Ranger
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Well first I'd recommend levelling it up to about level 55...then you've got a ridiculous array of option; Fire Punch, Thunderpunch, Aqua Tail, Earthquake, Brick Break, Rock Slide, Fly...

If you're set on Dragonair then there's...Aqua Tail or Waterfall...no, just evolve it.
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Yeah, I'd have agreed with Psyduck on that. Dragonite is awesome!!!!

Even after five generations, it's still probably one of the best Pokémon that you can get at all. Stronger and more practical than some legendaries...
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WOO! They've finally confirmed the Celebi event for the UK! Just like Arceus before it, it'll be given out at Black & White demos in GAME stores around the country. INCLUDING READING, YEAH!

Weirdly, I actually heard about this from GAME directly, before Serebii reported it. I get their emails and I guess it's from that email that Serebii got this info. WOO.

EDIT: Decided to replay this. I've bred a Vulpix and a Psyduck with egg moves on other games to trade over when I reach the best city. I've got a Flaaffy (I'm not using my starter, but I picked Cyndaquil so eventually I can breed one with Extrasensory), and once I get Headbutt I'll pick up a Heracross, which makes me question; Bugsy could catch a Heracross in his own town, and yet he doesn't use one...why!?
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