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HeartGold & SoulSilver - Generation IV; Because they deserve their own topic!
Topic Started: Sep 12 2009, 08:43 PM (2,440 Views)
Psyduck Ranger
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I like Mareep. In fact I love it, it's gorgeous. Only problem I have with the family is that Ampharos (the one I'd end up using) has such abysmal speed.

I agree, I like to use the same Pokémon throughout, because that means you're not wasting time or experience points on Pokémon you don't want to use.

Wha-!? Did you not read what I just said!? Togekiss is a terrible choice to give Fly to! It CANNOT use that move well!

What!? I'm not having a go at Surf, in any way. The only other time it's been mentioned in this thread at all is when I said it's one of the better HMs; "...someone such as myself, who prefers not to use HM Slaves, instead giving his party the HM moves, especially better ones such as Surf and Waterfall."

You do know at any one time one of a maximum of three Pokémon could show up on the PokéWalker, right?

On each course there are six Pokémon; two commons, two uncommons, and two rares. When you first send a Pokémon there, one of each of the three rarities will be chosen at random. At first the common one is the only Pokémon you'll be able to find. After you've taken a certain amount of steps, the uncommon one that was chosen will be able to appear, although the common one is still more likely to show up. After a greater number of steps still, the rare one will be capable of appearing, but again, the common and uncommon ones are more likely to appear.

In order to try and change which common, which uncommon, or which rare will appear, you need to send your Pokémon back to the DS and try again. Doesn't mean you'll succeed though; like many elements of Pokémon, it's entirely random. Of course, even in the main games it's pretty much pot luck as to whether you'lll encounter that rare Pokémon you want, or if that Poké Ball will actually work...

Here's a list of all the courses available on the PokéWalker, and what Pokémon & items are available on which. On each course Group A are the rare Pokémon, B are uncommon and C are common.

http://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/pokewalker-area.shtml
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Blue Bongo
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I never said I was going to teach Togekiss Fly. I said it was going to be used as my flying type.

I used to use the legendaries that appeared in my team, but I don't any more. At least, not regularly. Sometimes just to be different.

Random fact. I picked up a Sunkern from the Pokewalker earlier. Now, I've currently got four Pokemon that evolve into ones that Psyduck used in Johto and Neo as the ones rangers drew their powers from. Flaafy, Croconaw, Togepi and Sunkern. Completely by coincidence. And, I was thinking of trying to get either an Arcanine or Dragonite at some point. Maybe both. I don't know.

Guess I misread that thing about Surf. Or, forgot. Personally, I'd rather have Surf than Hydro Pump. I saw it a few days ago and only just commented now.

I think there's only one electric type that even comes close to having the same speed as Ampharos. And, that's Luxray.

Speed's not everything. Look at Snorlax. Maybe having a good balance of stats is just as important as having a variety of types.
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Psyduck Ranger
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Well, depends what you're gonna do, your own style. Personally, I'm not fond of "sponges" or "walls" or whatever else. I go with straight out sweepers. For that they need a good speed stat, one good attack stat, and a movepool that takes advantage of that attack stat.

Bah. Your comment heavily implied you'd have it using Fly. If it weren't for that HM I probably wouldn't bother having a Flying type on my team, just give something Aerial Ace.
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Blue Bongo
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Any time I start a game, I'll use a Pokemon that takes my fancy. Be it a wall, like Snorlax. Or a speedster electric rat, like Pikachu. Hey, in the past, I've gone with a team filled with water types. I've ditched my starter at the first available opportunity. I never pick the same team over and over.

Personally, I like to have a flying type Pokemon for those pesky fighting, grass and ground Pokemon. More variety to battle with. Sure, I could use something else, but the option is nice.

As you might have guessed, I like variation.
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Psyduck Ranger
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You like variation so you had a team full of water types?

Well, ok, I might have flying types, but generally because they're interesting Pokémon for other reasons. Like...Gliscor. Or Yanmega.

So long as you've got the Flying type moves, you surely don't neccessarily need a flying type Pokémon?

Aw, poor starters. I used to think giving up your starter was a horrible thing to do, unimaginable. Perhaps influenced by Pikachu of Yellow, if you stop using it, nothing follows you... But mostly just because I'm highly sentimental. Diamond was the first time I gave up my starter, Empoleon, and I did the same to Torterra in Platinum, but both were only after I beat the League. I'll not be giving up Feraligatr, it's far too awesome.

I generally go with Pokémon I've not used before as well. That said, certain awesome Pokémon recur...



EDIT:

Heart Gold

So I spent a bit of time earlier trying to figure how and when I'd get my team's moves sorted. More or less done now, traded some TMs and some shards around a bit...it should work out, for now at least. Then I headed off down Johto's most prominent water routes - and indeed, quite frankly the only real water routes, the only other places Surf is ever needed are Lake of Rage and Dragon's Den - Routes 40 & 41.

I was pleasantly surprised; I normally hate water routes, for the same reason I hate caves; they're wide expanses of next-to-nothing, you have to try hard to find the few measly bits and pieces the routes contain, cram-packed with Pokémon...okay, maybe that's a bit of a harsh judgement. I guess Hoenn's ocean really just got to me...still, these weren't that bad. A fair few trainers, easily avoidable, but I wanted to train. Whirlpools now look gorgeous.

Cianwood's nice. Turns out all the different Camerons are actually different people! All relatives, it seems of some random fisherman, and their photography "business" (not sure how it works...they don't make any money...) is based here. Remember how in GSC you could print Pokédex pages or mail with the Game Boy Printer? This place replaces that.

Got the Shuckle, naturally, and saw Suicune, whooped Eusine (watch out for his Electrode's Thunder...). Took on Chuck. His gym looks nice, although GSC had a more interesting puzzle, frankly. Completely destroyed him, he didn't even do any damage to me. Most of his gym trainers were more of a challenge than him, two of them knocked out a few Pokémon each.

I went and sorted out Amphy's medicine, then Baoba (how do you pronounce that?) called. Headed off down Routes 47 and 48. Was quicker than I expected, just two double battles and one small patch of grass...surfed around a bit though, realised Seel & Shellder are both available here. What's more Krabby are found by using Rock Smash back on Cianwood. If/when I get Soul Silver I'll have to think for longer about my choice of water type. So the Safari Zone front place is nice, nice music, a few shops...had a look in the safari zone, but frankly it's so huge I'd never manage a look round without properly devoting some time to it. I'm sure I will at some point over the next few days. But Magmar is found in the first area, probably the best Pokémon in that area, so if you don't already have a nice fire type by that time and you'd like one for the next couple of gyms, there you go.

Jasmine's gym came with a surprise. Gym trainers! Only...they don't want to battle. They come to you as you pass, both just congratulating you for what you did at the Lighthouse, and they've already seen you're a good trainer so you don't need to battle again. I think they're supposed to be two of the people you battle in the lighthouse...confirming that it does indeed replace her gym trainers, only there's a gym between the two (although you can actually face Jasmine before Chuck, if you don't mind surfing back to Olivine and then BACK the Cianwood again).

Jasmine was a doddle too, a Heat Wave from Murkrow slaughtered her first Magnemite, but it missed the second and got taken down by Thunderbolt. Donphan's Fire Fang got rid of it, then a few Water Pulse's from Lapras, with a only a little bit of health lost from Sandstorm, took out Steelix.

Played a bit at the Game Corner then returned to the Pokéathlon. I had to get into the next room, by beating all the high scores! That's the reason this report's relatively late...er...this morning...because I was trying to do this first!

After a long, hard, gruelling slog at the Pennant Capture, I succeeded...and found the Friendship Room, the final room! All golden (I wonder if it's silver in Soul Silver? Can anyone let me know?)...Magnus there to say hi (from now on you can always find him here AND upstairs watching events, simultaneously!), and statues! Solid gold statues of my Pokémon, and me in the middle! Click on it and it shows a bunch of stats, you finally see your full on sprite in Pokéathlon gear. Only thing that concerned me was only three of my Pokémon had statues. My statue said I was on 3400-odd points, and at 3600 I'd unlock the sixth statue, so I went to try another event. I came back downstairs and found the statues had changed to the Pokémon I'd just used, so no biggie. But the points total hadn't gone up... And literally just now as I'm typing I've realised what it means; your overall stats for the Pokéathlon are converted into seperate points, and measured in statues out of ten. I'm currently on five, nearly six...so yeah.

Tomorrow I imagine I'll get through Lake of Rage, and both of Team Rocket's hideouts (their distribution in Johto's pretty naff...an attack on Slowpoke Well early on, sure, but then nothing but a newly-implanted single grunt until after you reach gym town #7, then two massive attacks, one right after the other! It's rubbish really...another middle-sized attack should come somewhere along the way)...not sure I'll get to Mahogany Gym as well... (Wait, which comes first, Mahogany gym or Radio Tower?)

The PokéWalker

Took it to church with me, was fun to see some people's reactions...not much else to report really. I'll hold back on the PokéWalker details unless something actually interesting happens.
Edited by Psyduck Ranger, Mar 29 2010, 12:09 AM.
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Yankee Blaze
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We'll see what happens, I still am trying to use the Wi-Fi network on my damn DSi. And it doesn't seem to be working too well. However, my Wii works like crazy!

Today in the SoulSilver version:

I trained my Dragonair in the Pokewalker. Caught Spearow and Paras. (?)

Then, I exacavated Mt. Silver. That was my day. Oh, and my Weepinbell is at Level 50.
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Got Heart Gold today, and so far I am loving it. So far I have used the PokeWalker more than the actual game, but only to get pokemon for my team. Speaking of my team, I started off with Chikorita but am ditching it, the starters just aren't that interesting to me at the moment. The other members of my team are Hoppip and Ponyta. A little later on I am going to use the PokeWalker to catch me a Nidoran Male and I should be right for members for a while.
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Hotrod198
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@Pikagod. I dont really think any one should ditch their starter pokemon, even if they are a chikorita. They can learn pretty powerful moves like Blast Burn.

Now my team is slowly changing, I have caught a Swinub and Sneasel and i want to know which one you guys think is better.

And i caught several opkemon today including teddiursa, skarmory, magmar and miltank.
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Plenty of variation with water types. You said that yourself a few days ago. Think the team ended up being something like Swampert, Ludicolo, Gyarados, Lantern, Sharpedo and Slowbro.

Faced Bugsy last night. Once you get past his Scyther, he's easy. Unlike the original, he sends it out first.
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Psyduck Ranger
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Hotrod, lots of people ditch their starters eventually. And plenty of Pokémon learn powerful moves, many that have better stats. But seriously, you use the the Hyper Beam variations? What's the point? Because of the missed next turn, unless you actually think you can knock your opponent out with one hit, there's just no point. Flamethrower, Surf, and for the grass type, even Energy Ball are better options. That said, it's the trainer's own choice whether he or she gives up his or her starter.

Both are pretty good...Sneasel's line have a more diverse movepool, but not by much, Swinub's have a higher attack stat, but again, not by much...I think the clincher is probably that you can get Mamoswine before the League, whereas Weavile, not so much. Although Sneasel's still good in its own right, like I've got Murkrow, so it's really just a matter of preference. I think I'd go with Mamoswine because I've never used it before, but I used Weavile in Pearl.

Yeah, Bugsy...he was rather pathetic. The most trouble I've had with a gym leader so far has been Whitney (I think many people have found that to be true over the years).

I still wish Nintendo hadn't been so epicly lazy and boring with the gyms. They should have overhauled the teams more. Ok, so they wanted the early leaders to use Pokémon available early in the game, fine. So Falkner should have Hoothoot at least, instead of Pidgeotto. Bugsy could have Spinarak, Ledyba, Pineco, Heracross. Whitney (at least she had Miltank) could have had Aipom, Snubbull, Teddiursa (in keeping with her style of Pokémon), Morty should have had Misdreavus, Chuck - ok, well actually, there's not so much to be done for Chuck. Johto was surprisingly cruel towards fighting types. Heracross and Hitmontop (and Tyrogue, but you know). Still, he should have Hitmontop, and he should have had a bigger team... Jasmine - I like that she had Magnemite, in generation II in particular that's good for getting us used to it now being steel type, but she could have had a Skarmory at least, maybe a Forretress or a Scizor. Pryce, he's another one with not much of the table, but how about Sneasel? Sneasel's especially useful now thanks to the physical/special split. and Clair...well, what can be done for Clair...

Yankee...what!? It seems you've zoomed ahead and I've no idea what's going on. You've already got all 16 badges!? But one of your party is only level 50!? That's the sort of level I face the League with! And why haven't you evolved Weepinbell?
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I think yankee has kept his weepinbell for longer so that it can learn better moves. Since most stone evolversdone learn any more moves with an exception for Honchkrow.

Anyway i evolved a Sneasel by trading a Razor Claw over. Now gonna go and try and beat Clair. Hopefully i should be able to beat her with a lvl 40 GYarados and lvl 36 Weavile. Ambipom should help out as well.
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Psyduck Ranger
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But Weepinbell doesn't learn any decent moves through level up...other than a few good stat moves, the best it's got is Razor Leaf at level 39. Victreebel, on the other hand, learns Leaf Blade and Leaf Storm at level 47.
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I have not evolved Weepinbell yet because of the following reasons:
1) I need a Leaf Stone
2) I want to make sure I didn't miss any moves

Also, I'm actually training all my Pokemon right now. I just wanted to get the badges and the story done and out of the way. So, probably today, I will probably get phone numbers from other gym leaders and see if I can get rematches on those nights. I may battle these gym leaders again and again so I can get experience. Then, I may battle the Elite Four again too. So, yeah, I am going to have fun training my Pokemon. My Onix, and Weepinbell are like my only problemss right now and my other pokemon, such as Ampharos has no problem with me.

However, if you would like to know some secrets, be careful when you go into Rock Tunnel. It's not the same dungeon. They changed EVERYTHING!

Remember Psyduck, that the games for HG and SS came out March 14th in the United States. So, of course I jumped ahead. I play five hours a day when I get a new Pokemon game. That's why I beat the game in less than a month.
Edited by Yankee Blaze, Mar 29 2010, 03:46 PM.
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Blue Bongo
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I have had problems with Whitney in the past. Damn Miltank and Attract. Plus, no decent fighting types available at that point. Unless I used a Machop from the Poke Walker. Actually, come to think of it, that's almost exactly the right thing to do. Resistance to Rollout.

Makes you wonder what they were playing at, having a fighting type gym leader and Elite four member in the same region. Variety, people!

Five hours a day. No wonder we're not getting In Space updates. Lol.

Could have given Clair a Gabite. Or a Shelgon. Or an Altaria. Rather battle one of them than a Gyarados and three Dragonair.
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Well, you never had to worry about moves. And if nowhere else is a good bet, you can get a Leaf Stone from the Pokéathlon. There should be one in Viridian forest somewhere though.

I know they've been out for a while (still only two weeks), it's just that's the first we've heard of your progress :P

So you have a Weepinbell, an Onix (guessing that's not evolved due to lack of someone to trade with? Shame about your wifi, any of us could help you out with it), an Ampharos, what else?

Well, they didn't have much of a choice in the way of gym leaders/Elite Four. The only thing they could have done would be for a replacement for Bruno to just use another type used by a Kanto gym leader. But it's only been three years, they didn't want to be unrealistic. There are plenty of reasons why Agatha could have left, we know what happened to Lance obviously, but even Lorelei's absence is inexplicable. Removing Bruno too would be too odd.

Well, sure, if they were using the National Dex. But they stick to Pokémon in the Johto Dex until the National Dex is obtained.

She has three Dragonair and a Kingdra in Gen II and two Dragonair, a Gyarados and a Kingdra in Gen IV.

EDIT: Time for today's round-up.

Heart Gold

Really not that much to say today, although I've got plenty done. Dealt with the Lake of Rage & caught Red Gyarados, blitzed through the Mahogany hideout, and dealt with Pryce fairly quickly. Didn't really think about the fact that both the Pokémon I've given fire type moves to are weak to ice, but never mind, fire's only good against one of his Pokémon anyway.

One thing I noticed...slightly. There's no need to go through Mt Mortar. I mean, I knew you didn't have to at this stage, but unless you want the Pokémon you can get there (which, whilst in Gen II might have been found there exclusively, aren't so much any more (can you believe Marill used to be a rare Pokémon!?)) there's really no need to traverse it at any point in the game. Same for Dark Cave...what's the point of these caves again?

Returned to Goldenrod to deal with certain radio waves. Then came one of the most enjoyable parts of any of the games that's actually essential to complete them. Having to go undercover as a Team Rocket member! So much fun just to see how Team Rocket members treat you when they think you're one of them, and how civilians react when they think you're a villain. The civilians are surprisingly sympathetic...or maybe they just don't want me to make me angry, trying to steer clear of trouble... and when Silver turned up, I loved the subtlety of my character turning away from him to avoid being recognised. Silver was between my sight and my sprite (epic rhyme) at that point, but I could just see the tip of Gold's cap facing the wrong way. Marvelous! That's one of the biggest pieces of characterisation a player has had since Blue called Red chatty in FRLG!

Anywho, after that the tower was fairly standard. Blitzed through it once again, nothing special.

I think I can understand why your levels are lower than I expected Yankee. I've only just realised that the levels throughout Johto used by NPCs are much lower than other regions, which is why I've had such an easy time of it. Obviously their levels are lower because there's still Kanto to come. Let's take Clair as an example. The number of any given gym leader's Pokémon influences the levels they're given, so we can only fairly compare her to other gym leaders with four Pokémon. Volkner's a good example, another eighth gym leader. The average level of his team in Platinum is 9 higher than the average level of Clair's. The closest levels I could find in another gym leader are Koga's in FRLG. The fifth gym leader. That's a huge difference. Other trainers are the same, most of the Rocket Grunts I've just been battling, whilst holding seven badges, have been using Pokémon no higher than level 25. I think this is a mistake on Nintendo's part, thinking of the whole thing as one large region rather than two seperate ones in this game. Some of the routes are incredibly short in Johto, especially compared to somewhere like Sinnoh, and in Gen II Kanto was tiny compared to Gen I. They should think of it as one long game, and just have your team's levels be huge by the end of the main story. Red is already accommodating to that, levels in the 80s, compared to Blue, the last major opponent you have before Red, maximum level 60.They obviously expect you to do a fair bit of training between the two...with no decent trainers along to way to Mt Silver...

Anywho, where were we...oh yeah, stormed through Ice Path. Random Guy who looks identical to Cameron (I'm beginning to notice the identical NPCs now...with pointless characters its fine, but even minor people like Cameron need something to distinguish them from people who spurt pointless titbits...that'll bug me in a few years...) stopped me from continuing when HM07 was on the ground, making sure I got it. Towards the end a Kimino Girl showed up, this one recognised me...what's with the Random Kimino Girls cropping up everywhere? I can't wait to find out.

So Blackthorn...is Blackthorn. Nothing new yet. Tomorrow I'll destroy Clair.

Do you think, before I started all these, I should have called spoiler alert? Should I go back and edit these commentaries into spoiler tags?
Edited by Psyduck Ranger, Mar 29 2010, 09:59 PM.
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