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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 9 2010, 09:44 AM (5,833 Views) | |
| Psyduck Ranger | Apr 9 2010, 09:44 AM Post #1 |
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Just been over to Serebii.net, they have confirmed, from the official Japanese Pokémon website, the titles for the first two fifth generation games - Black and White. These titles were trademarked years ago, and many people have suspected them or used them in parodies or fakes over the years.![]() Interesting...it's the first time since Generation I that games have been named for colours (Gold & Silver were named for the metals). So, as fans it's our job to get speculating: Will they be on DS, or a debut game for 3DS? What animals will be used as Pokémon? What new types combinations will there be? What will the starters be like, in regards to the above? What will the version mascots be like, in regards to the above? What role will Zorua and Zoroark play in-game? What types will the gym leaders & Elite Four use? What will the regional Dex be like? Which Pokémon from exisiting generations will be in it? What will the balance of types be? What will the story be like? What will the villainous team be called? What will their aims be? And, for anyone who knows anything about Japan, which region of Japan will the game region be based on? What will that mean in game? What will it be called? So yeah, that's a lot of questions, and I want to know what you think! |
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| Hotrod198 | Apr 9 2010, 02:35 PM Post #2 |
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Yes those are a lot of questions. But i dont care how they release it or what they name it, i just hope that they have some cool looking pokemon. (Imagine a Gyarados Evolution!) I know they'll have a Dark Type GYm coz they havent had one for any region yet. So i figure Zoroark will be the dark type leader's key pokemon. And just my own thinkin, what if there was a new move called Dark Guise. As we know Zoroark takes the form of pokemon in the anime so y shouldnt he be able to do it in the games? Version Mascots? I'd say some angle like creature for white and a darkness/devil like creature for black. Animals? Definitely a fighting type Kangaroo. It'd be on my team just for the sake of being aussie. Wouldnt mind a platypus like pokemon or a lion like pokemon. Im actually hoping that the starters last form are like combos. Eg Grass/Dark, Water/Psychic and Fire/fighting. That'd be pretty hard for you to beat ur rival with twice the advantage. But that's what makes the games harder. Sort of like having to verse Red but more often. For the Dex im really hoping they have less water types and more grass and fire types. There dare only a few decent fire types around. And i wouldnt mind an area sort of like the safari zone but u choose what types u want to encounter eg if u only want to see flying types, only pokemon with the flying attribute appear. |
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| Psyduck Ranger | Apr 9 2010, 05:03 PM Post #3 |
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I'm sure there will be plenty that look cool. I just hope there are plenty that look cool with moves & stats to back it up.
That's preposterous logic. You could have said the same thing when Ruby & Sapphire were announced, or Diamond & Pearl. Just because they've never done something before, doesn't mean they will now. In fact, that makes it LESS likely. There's never been a pure Flying type before, and probably never will be. We all thought Chatot would be when it was first announced, but it's not. And if there were to be a pure Flying type, it wouldn't be able to learn Roost, that would make it typeless. Think it's a coincidence that Arceus can't learn it?
A move for a Pokémon to transform? Think that already exists... Although yeah, I guess Zoroark's illusory powers are a little different to that...still, I dunno. Plenty of Pokémon have powers that either are mentioned in the games or exist only in the anime that don't actually affect the battle. Celebi doesn't have an attack that involves time travel, and despite the name of Roar of Time, neither does Dialga. Baltoy's ability of time travel wasn't even mentioned in the games. There's a chance Zoroark's ability could be part of a storyline, it could be the basis of a move, or it could be entirely absent. I dunno...for a start, Nintendo like to avoid religion, especially in the west. The "Foreign Building" in Sinnoh is the closest they come to this, along with Darkrai, who already seems to represent the devil. Plus, they wouldn't have one version mascot undoubtedly good and another undoubtedly evil - and if they didn't put an angel and a devil in those roles, these games won't even see a Western release. It'd be the end of the franchise outside Japan. Not to mention the criticism for being racist - an angel is white but the devil is black? No matter how strongly they tie it to light and darkness, that won't work.
I'm not saying they can't reuse animals, we all know they do - the very first Gen V Pokémon are based on foxes - but those animals have all been done to some degree before. Kangaskhan is straight-up a kangaroo, that forms the entirety of its basis, no way you can argue against that. The other two are less concrete; as for the platypus, both my beloved Psyduck and Golduck have been said to be based mainly on it. For a start, neither of them can fly, and by no stretch of the imagination can you say Golduck has wings. Similar things are said of Ludicolo. Finally, lion traits are said to show up in the legendary dogs, the entire Luxray line, Manectric, Absol, and even Flareon.
That's more likely, although that order is horrible; I for one am sick of Fire/Fighting Pokémon. I want something new. The fire type has only ever been mixed with a handful of other types, and most of those species are the only ones of their types, it needs something more exciting. Fire/Psychic would be amazing. Anywho, if they ever do a trio like that, it'll probably be the other way round. The Sinnoh starters' secondary types were chosen specifically to counteract each other, and make them all just as good against each other; Torterra's ground is great against both Infernape's fire and Empoleon's steel, whilst its grass is reduced in strength by aforementioned steel. Infernape's fighting gives it a weapon against Empoleon, whilst its fire is strengthened against that steel. Empoleon's steel isn't so great for attacking, but it's packing ice too, perfect for taking out Torterra, and its water becomes more potent against it too. So, if they do decide to go for something like that (although the fact that Psychic doesn't do anything to dark, compared to the other types which just resist each other), it'd be something more along the lines of Grass/Dark, Fire/Psychic, Water/Fighting (which would be great, one completely new pair and two fairly uncommon ones...hmm...either way, fire deserves something new, it's the only type that didn't get a new pairing in the Sinnoh starters). How about just make all the starters Flying type so they can all have HM02 if we so choose? ![]()
I agree they need more fire types, especially after the tragedy that was the original Sinnoh dex. I kind of agree on grass types, but mainly I just think they need more decent grass types. Unless they have a great secondary type grass types can rarely learn any moves that aren't grass or poison type, and they usually have lame stats too. A few mores decent moves would be nice too. Energy Ball was a start, but unless you're going up against a Water/Ground (admittedly fairly common) or MAYBE a Water/Rock, when would you choose Energy Ball over Thunderbolt? I want to see a few old conventions broken. Screw the rock type, we don't need to face another Geodude right at the start of the game! That's one of the great things about Johto - although that only happened because you face Brock anyway. Although I would like to see a stronger rock type trainer - apparently Jasmine used to (guessing Steelix filled that capacity as Onix, although she has more Electric-types...Magnemite, Magneton, Ampharos...). We do certainly need to see more Dark types in a capacity other than the villainous teams, but there have already been two Elite Four members...maybe we'll get majorly lucky and Nintendo WILL break that convention? I'd like some good ice types available early on. They never show up until you're way into the game. I know most water types learn Ice Beam or whatever through TM, but it's not the same. Ice has some great Pokémon, but you never get to use them without trading or whatever... Ground need a stronger representation, and since we've just had an Elite Four member of the type, I predict a new Ground type Gym Leader. Preferably at a lower level, both Ground type specialist of the past have been high levelled trainers. Grass and Flying could both use an Elite Four member. We've just had a Grass type gym leader, so I reckon Flying could be on the cards. This trainer could (probably) use the region's pseudo-legendary too, as I predict it'll be Dragon/Flying. |
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| Blue Bongo | Apr 9 2010, 05:21 PM Post #4 |
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Personally, I view Heatran as the Pokemon equivalent of the Devil. A lion-like Pokemon. What, like Luxray? Agreed on the fire/fighting thing. Blaziken, okay. Infernape, lazy. And, also on ice types. Maybe a water/ice type starter. |
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| Deadbeatloser22 | Apr 9 2010, 05:42 PM Post #5 |
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I'm going to ruin everyone's day and point out that Dark Is Not Evil, just as Light Is Not Good. Edited by Deadbeatloser22, Apr 9 2010, 05:44 PM.
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| Psyduck Ranger | Apr 9 2010, 06:06 PM Post #6 |
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Heatran? Why? It's just got fire...Houndoom has more devilish traits. But Darkrai is explicitly evil in the games, and learns its signature move at level 66. Coincidence? I dunno, I mean, I like Infernape, but yeah, the typing was just boring... Water/Ice though, it's a bit overdone... although I guess it's actually pretty good to balance out with grass and fire. Um...hmm...I have reached a conundrum. Deadbeatloser22, what should I call you for short? The only noun in that phrase is "loser", and just that alone seems rude...well either way... You're absolutely right. Bonus points for using tvtropes to make your point. But that was actually going to develop majorly in DF, EF and Legacy. The Black Ranger was actually going to have a huge rant about the difference in the Legacy finale, and how he just believes he's dark, not evil. That said, in the world of Pokémon, dark and evil are treated exactly the same. Well, actually, that's not true. In the English translation of Pokémon, dark and evil are treated exactly the same. Think of moves like Snatch, Taunt, Theif, Torment, Nasty Plot, Torment, and so on and so on. Think it's a coincidence they're all Dark type? And yet how many moves deal with actual darkness? Night Shade is Ghost type. Dark Pulse? The Japanese name for the attack is Evil Pulse. Indeed, the type is evil called the Evil type in Japan. I guess it was changed for English because kids can use Dark type Pokémon, they don't want them to think it's ok that they're evil. Kind of adds credence to the fact that Darkrai is the devil
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| Blue Bongo | Apr 10 2010, 08:27 AM Post #7 |
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I prefer to think of Darkrai as a misunderstood figure. Like in the tenth movie, The Rise Of Darkrai. Those who think Darkrai is evil are probably the same bunch of type racists who think Absol's cause natural disasters. What, so suddenly Darkrai's evil because it gives a kid nightmares? Drowzee and Hypno eat dreams, but that's suddenly fine? Stantler can create illusions, how's that any different? Being close to... Damnit, which is that Pokemon who can give you headaches if you stand too close to them? I think it's Alakazam. On the whole, light is good, dark is bad thing... I would remind you that Lucifer used to be known as The Being Of Light. And, on the rest of it, I think Houndoom were based on Hell Hounds. But, I still stand by my comment on Heatran. It kinda looks demonic, lives at the centre of the Earth, a place where to coin the phrase "It's hotter than hell". Call (Deadbeat) DB. Short and not, you know, inoffensive. It's not the first time you've shortened a name to two letters, Psyduck. |
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| Psyduck Ranger | Apr 10 2010, 09:14 AM Post #8 |
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You're accusing people of being type racist for thinking Darkrai is evil, when you're going solely by looks? Again, the level 66 thing is a clear reference, but beyond that, there's a certain game. Spoiler tags for those who haven't played it through. Spoiler: click to toggle But anyway, this is completely off-topic... I reckon these games might play off something added to the story in HGSS and... Spoiler: click to toggle
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| Blue Bongo | Apr 10 2010, 07:35 PM Post #9 |
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I don't want to piss on your bonfire, but PMD also featured capitalistic Wigglytuff and a money guarding Persian. Making judgements on how something looks is way more socially acceptable than making judgements on the same thing about where it came from or what it is. Wait a second, did that sound as stupid to everyone else, as it did when I said it out loud? Anyway.... Anyone want to take bets on whether or not anyone'll write a Poke Rangers fic set in this unnamed new region at some point? |
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| Psyduck Ranger | Apr 10 2010, 08:16 PM Post #10 |
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Capitalistic? In what sense? And I don't really see what those have to do with anything... Making judgements on how something looks IS racism. Judging someone based on skin colour? You think that's about where someone is from more so than how they look? Don't judge a book by its cover, Bongo. Find out what's inside and make your decision based on that. Oh, I dunno, it's not really worth the bet. I check with Ladbrookes, they're offering 1:1 odds on that... That said, from the little I've heard about most recent fics, it's been a long time since someone set a fic in an existing region...then again, I guess it's been a while since there's been an existing region that someone hasn't already called "first" on. Yankee got Hoenn, I got Johto, Maddie got Kanto, Darth Osiris got Sinnoh, Starfighter got Orre, Phoenix got Sevii, I believe PikaGod got the Orange Isles...well, there are spin-off regions - most notably the three Ranger ones - but apart from that... Still, I hope they wait to actually learn about it in some detail before someone tries it... |
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| Yankee Blaze | Apr 10 2010, 10:23 PM Post #11 |
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Psyduck, remember that Darth rewrote his story but except for me, nobody else reviewed it. So, he technically stopped writing because he had no other ideas. And the ideas were excellent too. So, technically Sinnoh could still be used and I don't know what happened to Kanto. Starfighter's computer freezes all the time, so he loses his saved work for Orre... There's a lot of things that happened between the three of them... just saying. |
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| Psyduck Ranger | Apr 10 2010, 11:11 PM Post #12 |
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What do you mean, "remember"? I never knew that. Ok...so Mimi may have even removed Angels now...but still, if only to you and me, she'll always be associated with Kanto...at the very least through DW... But Starfighter's fic is still very much existent just the same as mine is. Either way, those three wrote those three regions first, so anyone else writing one of them is writing a region previously written by another Rangers author. Besides, you could make the same point about Phoenix with Sevii, why'd you skip her? Either way, NOTHING to do with Black & White. Anyone seen the new pics up on Serebii? In battle looks cool...overworld looks...different... |
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| Deadbeatloser22 | Apr 10 2010, 11:25 PM Post #13 |
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I think I've unofficially picked up Sinnoh, but it's still open for official use... |
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| Blue Bongo | Apr 11 2010, 07:50 AM Post #14 |
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Really, Psyduck, you don't think I was being sarcastically ironic with that comment. Of course I know what I was describing could be construed as Racism. On regions, nobody made one in the regions where Pokemon Ranger is set. That would be even more apt. That's just more or less the point. Blaze did Hoenn. Psyduck did Johto and Starfighter did Orre. But, there's something like three fics involving Sinnoh at the moment. The only place the Kanto rangers still exist is in the original Mighty Morphin' Poke Rangers, I think. Although, if we want to continue the discussion, maybe we should move to the Today thread. |
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| Psyduck Ranger | Apr 13 2010, 11:57 AM Post #15 |
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Here's another question; based on those titles, what might the third version be called? I do hope it's not "Grey" - least of all because that would result in an epic spelling error over here that will seriously confuse kids. EDIT: How about this; we can get some idea of the shape of the region right now. Where in Japan do you think the region will be based? Every region is from somewhere... ![]() That's Bulbapedia's map. I've added a red dot to show Orre; it isn't specifically stated to be just that prefecture, but that's all I know, so as far as we need be concerned (unless someone knows otherwise) that outline indicates Orre. Kanto's actually tiny, huh? So, where do you think? Most of the more interestingly shaped areas are gone... Maybe the area north of Johto's basis, then rotated? Or the bit between Johto's and Hoenn's bases. Edited by Psyduck Ranger, May 1 2010, 10:08 AM.
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