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| Hotrod198 | May 19 2010, 10:27 AM Post #31 |
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I have to agree with Bongo. The lizard snake thing could actually become part poison. But in my own opinion i dont mind the new starters. Thats my own opinion and u cant make me change it. Anywho if i have to predict anything, i think the final fire evo will be ugly if they base it on a boar with tusks. I have to admit, the fire is a little under the average standards since most fire types have some way of declaring its fire type. Pokabu could be changed brown and classed as a ground type for all we know. Maybe thats what it ws meant to be but they tossed the idea and changed it to a fire starter.... who knows... |
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| Psyduck Ranger | May 19 2010, 12:50 PM Post #32 |
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I didn't mean that, of course I could imagine a snake being Poison type. But I don't have to imagine, I already have Ekans, Arbok, and their final evolved form, Seviper. What I meant is all three type combos you suggested have been massively overdone, and Nintendo are getting better at making the starters more interesting, unique types, that balance well against each other. Poison wouldn't help with that latter point at all. Grass/Poison is just boring. I wasn't trying to change your opinion. Although I could easily attempt to change it through debate, but I really don't see the point, I'm not that bothered if you like them or not, I'm just curious. Anything in particular about them you like? Not true, a great deal of Fire types have no active flame on their bodies; Vulpix, Ninetales, Growlithe, Arcanine, Houndour, Houdnoom, Magby, Entei, Torchic, Combusken, Blaziken, Torkoal, Numel, Camerupt, or Heatran. :) |
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| Blue Bongo | May 19 2010, 01:04 PM Post #33 |
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There's not that many ground and fire combos. Just Numel and Camerupt. Neither of which are particularly good. Maybe grass/steel. That's never been done. Although, if there was a ground and fire type, that'd kick the grass ass so much. Although, the water would see to the ground and fire one. So, maybe the water type would be something that is weak against steel and grass. Grass/Steel < Fire/Ground < Water/ ??? Could be anything. Like I said, I'm just spitballing. Going on appearances... Because that's all we've got at the moment, the one which looks my favourite is the grass type. FYI, I agree on the maybe the wild boar thing being the final stage for Pokabu. |
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| Psyduck Ranger | May 19 2010, 01:37 PM Post #34 |
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Actually, if Rock was super effective against Ground instead of being weak to it, that'd add up to a perfectly balanced trio...shame. Grass/Steel would be an interesting type, but not only would it be depressingly weak to fire to the point that nobody would bother with it (few grass types are actually that good whilst steel's not a good offensive type. Both are defensive types with a massively crippling weakness), but I don't really see a snake becoming that... Here's an interesting sidenote; the secondary types of all Starters that have them are former Physical types. With that in mind, the snake becoming steel seems more likely... Similarly, the only former Special type Fire has partnered with is Dark...I want to see some more Special fire type combos! |
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| Blue Bongo | May 19 2010, 02:04 PM Post #35 |
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Scizor is weak against fire in the same way a grass/steel would be. But, I'd use that if you didn't have to trade for it. Fire/Psychic maybe? Considering that the last pig like Pokemon was Psychic. Could be. Fire/electric? |
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| Psyduck Ranger | May 19 2010, 02:47 PM Post #36 |
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Yeah, but Scizor's not a Starter though. It certainly is possible, I'd just expect the other two to have the appropriate double weakness to make up for it, and all combinations of that are boring. Water and Fire with Rock or Ground...they're just boring to me...I'd rather them be single types than those... Yeah, but that means it's less likely to be the same. More often than not when a creature has more than one of its kind represented in Pokémon they're different types. Take turtles and tortoises. And I doubt it...I don't reckon they'd give the Starter such a strength over Water...although who knows, it's possible. I look at Pokabu and I think Steel in it's future...ok, so that's done with Heatran, but that doesn't mean it couldn't be done again...then again, that would give it a four times weakness to Ground...ok, so it's a small price to pay all the resistances, but I'd hope the other two would get four times weaknesses if that happens... |
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| Yankee Blaze | May 19 2010, 04:04 PM Post #37 |
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Out of all the starters, I like the snake. What the hell were they thinking when they made the pig and the otter? Yuck... why? |
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| Blue Bongo | May 19 2010, 04:43 PM Post #38 |
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I know Scizor isn't a starter, but I'm pointing out it has the same weakness and despite that I would still use it. |
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| Psyduck Ranger | May 19 2010, 05:46 PM Post #39 |
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Difference is Scizor doesn't need to be balanced against anything. Bug is also an awesome type and it has plenty of other awesome moves, unlike most starters and most grass types. Yes, but Yankee, it's not a snake. Snakes don't have limbs. Nintendo don't actually seem to realise there are existing rules to determine what kind of animal we're dealing with. |
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| Lucario | May 19 2010, 06:05 PM Post #40 |
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Well, there are a kind of lizard that doesn't have legs, called a copper lizard (I believe. Just directly translated it from swedish to english). And I think that this very small lizard counts as a lizard because of the form of its head, or its eyes. But that probably still doesn't change the fact that a snake doesn't have legs. Anyway, so do I still think that the snake Tsujara is a bit cute. |
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| Psyduck Ranger | May 19 2010, 10:59 PM Post #41 |
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After a bit of light googling and wikipedia...ing... wiki...ing... (Darn Wikipedia, why don't you have a consonant sound at the end!?) Anyway, I've found that you are indeed right. The proper English name is Glass Lizard (I tried translating Copper Lizard back into Swedish, but then it just kept changing every time I changed it the other way until it ended up completely different. At one point I had "slow worm". Yeah. Anyway, that's a lizard, sure, but like you said, that doesn't mean a snake can have legs. Oh yes, like I said, I would love Tusjara's design if not for the fact Nintendo are calling it a snake when it just isn't. Maybe its evolutions will be more snakelike, maybe it's a translation error, maybe it'll be fixed in English, all I know is, I don't like that snake. |
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| Blue Bongo | May 20 2010, 07:25 AM Post #42 |
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That's probably it. It's probably lost in translation. It happens all the time. Maybe the word means something different in Japanese than it does in English. Like Trozei. |
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| Psyduck Ranger | May 20 2010, 01:57 PM Post #43 |
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No, Trozei means nothing, it's a nonsense word. Otherwise it'd have been translated for the American market. Still, what are the chances that everybody's missed it? People at Serebii, Bulbapedia, all the other fansites... |
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| Blue Bongo | May 21 2010, 07:39 AM Post #44 |
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So, we can't even make a reference to the boxes below now? What if it has been missed? Maybe people have noticed it, but just not bothered commenting on it. |
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| Psyduck Ranger | May 21 2010, 11:03 AM Post #45 |
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You can make reference to the cbox, but the fact is "Trozei" doesn't actually mean anything to anyone other than being the name of that game. It's possible, like I said, just really unlikely. Both websites have really good translators on staff, and I imagine several others do too. And even if they all missed it but one randomer noticed it, most people would tell someone, just to get the credit of being the one to notice. I'm probably not the only one annoyed that it's being called a snake by far, other forums probably have plenty of discussion on it going on, and there'd be people who can speak both languages around somewhere who'd notice and check. |
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