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| TF2, Movie discussion.; SPOILER ALERT!!! | |
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| Topic Started: Jun 19 2009, 10:30 AM (481 Views) | |
| mellowshade | Jun 19 2009, 10:30 AM Post #1 |
Kheheheheheheeehheheheeh!
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About an hour ago, as the credits for TF2 come to a halt and I'm sat wondering where the mini-scene from the adaption comic with Megs and the protoforms is, my partner said "That makes the first one look brilliant.". Now, he's a cynic. He didn't like the first film and I did. He didn't like Star Trek and I did. But an hour later and I have still not disagreed with him. So before you read any further there will be spoilers so stop now if you haven't seen the film. Where to start? There are things about the film I liked and thought were an improvement. The Transformers were clearer, no shakey cam. The battles were also clear and you could for the most part see what was happening. The problem is that there are so few battles between 'bots and 'cons. Mostly its the US army vs Decepticons. Arriving out of no-where and kicking ass where I doubt any real army would ave responded so quickly or successfully. In the final battle the Autobots take no real active part in the battle (except Prime) they just walk around in the background shooting occasionally. There are fewer superfluous humans which is an improvement. The majority of the film is about Sam and him going nuts or running away. The Transformers are relegated to the sidelines. The disagreeable government guy was underused. There splits between the TFs and the humans could have been explored but weren't. Prime gets a lot of screen time in the first half of the film up to when he 'dies'. After that its Bumblebee and the Twins who are the main Autobots in the film. How that is handled is annoying. BB is relegated to a taxi moving Sam from one plot point to another. There is little conversation between the two and Sam treats him as an overbearing babysitter rather than a friend. The Twins are stereotypical Michael Bay characters. Dumb, annoying and illiterate. Jetfire is amusing as is Wheelie. Jetfire is not done justice really. He's there to explain what's going on and to give prime a jetpack. Hes dead now. Awww Jetfire... Soundwave is cool. I like his optical cabling. He IS Frank Welker BUT his voice hasn't been synthesised properly so he sounds more like Dr Claw. He does nothing but sit in orbit so at least he will be available for the third film. Ravage was cool, very cat like. Dies too easily. Starscream was really good. Charles Adler does his high toady voice which sounds better than it did in the first film. He also gets more screen time and lines which the film really needed. The interraction between the Transformers, treating them like characters is what was missing again from this film. Can anyone else confirm if Prime actually talked to any of the Autobots in this film? Megatron is a pussy. He is subservient to the Fallen and makes no sign that he is chafing under his command. The Fallen, WTF?! If you've read the prequal comics you know his story and that makes sense but in the film he isn't locked in an artefact he is just sitting in the Nemesis with a bunch of Protoforms (which were cool) waiting for Megs to come see him. And the fact that they are on the Nemesis and on Mars is not very well established. One minute Megs is errupting from the Sea the next he's in space.??! He should have laid some beatings on the fleet that was guarding him, getting out his frustration and anger at his defeat. And what's with the Decepticons that stand on buildings and wave their arms a bit but do not destroy anyting to show earth they are here. Doctor was cool, very german. What was the point of Volt? He drives around with the autobots and gives cpr to Prime. He says nothing and only Ratchet seems to notice he was there. Mojo is gay. It's hilarious  Mr & Mrs Witwicky are brilliant. Funnier than they were in the first film. Sam's Mum has a filthy mouth. That's some bullet points. My general overall feeling is that this is a giant robot film with the TFs in. The first scene in Shanghai is the only real point in the film that they TFs do a lot of transforming. It is not a massive improvement over the first film. It has more robots and more action sequences but that's it. It's a disjointed mess. Things happen snap-snap everyone speaks much too quickly. Nothing is explained much and I found it hard to follow in some places.I really REALLY think Micheal Bay has to go. We need a director who will treat the Transformers as characters and not as props that are there to be blown up. The last battle scene was really lazy. Repaints repaints repaints. Generic proto-cons and multiple constructicon clones who seemed to fight piecemeal. Megatron wasn't giving orders just randomly shooting at things off screen. Bone crusher was there for no real reason. And no one explained where Blackout came from but he didn't last long so maybe no one cared. I'm disappointed. I won't go see it again in the cinema. I will get the DVD and try again. What did you guys think? Edited by mellowshade, Jun 20 2009, 02:54 AM.
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| Opticron Primal | Jun 19 2009, 11:10 AM Post #2 |
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Didn't Bay say that alot of stuff was cut out for time? That probably messed up the movie. I've been on other boards and the more I explore, the more worried I am about the movie. The negativity has spiked considerably this past week and it concerns me. I just want to be entertained by this, so I'm not expecting it to be leaps and bounds over the first movie, and it's gonna end up doing well reguardless, cause it's gonna make gang-busters. Still though, as a TF fan, I don't want things to nag at me throughout the film. 
Edited by Opticron Primal, Jun 19 2009, 11:13 AM.
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| mellowshade | Jun 19 2009, 11:31 AM Post #3 |
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Now I've calmed down a bit I have to say that I did enjoy the film while I was watching it. It's two thirds of the way in that stuff stops happening and you have time to think and get bored. |
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| Gretnablue | Jun 19 2009, 05:58 PM Post #4 |
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The movie was Ok, but nothing special. for the first half I got the plot but by the end I lost track on the characters names and can anyone tell me where those second Long haul, Rampage and Mixmaster came from. Speaking of characters, Demolisher and Sideways last about 4 minutes and hardly pick up a fight as well as Grindor and bonecrusher make a cameo as well as Scorpinok. I didn't read the prequel comics so I didn't realise that was mars, I thought it was Cybertron. Finally without repeating your comments, I thought Optimus was a bit too cold hearted and just killed anyone he liked "One shall Stand, One Shall fall in pieces". In all I give it 7.2 out of 10 for an action flick. |
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| Scaleface | Jun 19 2009, 06:15 PM Post #5 |
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What i didn't understand is that on mars... was that the Fallen's ship or the one Starscream and Ramjet fougtht in in Reign of Starscream. Are there TWO Decepticon ships called the Nemesis wrecked on Mars? |
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| mellowshade | Jun 19 2009, 06:32 PM Post #6 |
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Nemesis is a very popular name it seems. The Nemesis the Fallen is in is an earlier ship. You are right about Prime, he is too bloodthirsty. None of the Autobots gave the 'cons a chance to surrender. Very un Autobot. |
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| sten4sw | Jun 20 2009, 12:27 AM Post #7 |
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Apparently the awesome "kicking Bonecrusher's ass" scene in the first film, and the positive response to it, must have made Bay bring him from bad-ass to extreme Robo-Rambo. I have yet to see it, but I'm not too worried about it. This sounds a little bit worse than I expected but we'll see. On a side note, could you maybe edit the title of this tread to "Movie Discussion" and request it get's pinned like the last one, so we don't have more than one posted? Edited by sten4sw, Jun 20 2009, 12:28 AM.
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| G1 Prime is Everywhere | Jun 20 2009, 02:38 PM Post #8 |
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ROTF is fricking awesome. im just back from seeing it in belfast and evryone who came out of the screen was extremely positive about it. not one meh or anything. everyone was blown away. |
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| drmick | Jun 20 2009, 06:52 PM Post #9 |
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Saw it tonight (Belfast too, oddly). It's very disjointed in terms of plot (think Spider-man 3) but enjoyable at that. It's nice to be able to read discussion on the forums at a sensible pace, because let's face it, all the TF boards will descend into chaos next Friday. One thing I have not seen mentioned elsewhere so far is that the final battle/action sequence is VERY long. I'm gonna say at least 45 mins of constant action. I've never seen an action sequence that long. Jetfire, Wheelie and the Twins are all comedic characters. I've seen some criticise the twins and praise Jetfire (who is British and says "bollocks" on one occasion). If you accept comedy characters then you will like them. There's a Doctor-insecticon 'con who's also quite horror-style comedic. If you thought Bumblebee peeing was too much, then prepare for a fart, and, separately, Transformer testicles. The film is filled with inconsistencies and there is the suggestion of some missing scenes as characters appear and re-appear without explanation. But those inconsistencies are multiple. It's quite obvious that Michael Bay may have been the creator of the overall plot, while the writers just put in the dialogue (think DitKo and Lee). I've counted at least a dozen mistakes or errors so far. The Error section on TFwiki will be HUGE. May even need its own page. |
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| mellowshade | Jun 20 2009, 07:53 PM Post #10 |
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There was a lot of farting. And the peeing was done ALL over Alice. Even an evil death machine didn't deserve that. |
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| drmick | Jun 21 2009, 06:56 AM Post #11 |
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I may have missed this on other boards, but I'm pretty sure nobody has mentioned that Megatron appears to be a Triple Changer with both a jet and a tank mode. |
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| geriatric prime | Jun 22 2009, 05:33 PM Post #12 |
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SPOILERS ok im 31 and i like art house movies. I am a medical doctor and a junior manager in my trust. I SHOULD hate this movie. Its misogenistic, boarderline racist crass and we have 2 new jar jars- but i just left the cinema and im buzzing. Yes i cried at a certain point yes i yelled out YES very loudly when optimus said one line at a certain point. Its long its baggy its got loads of pointless plot threads but i loved it and i love being a TF fan sorry for the hyperbole! PS my wife says it was wroth it only to see a fanboys responses- that will do yours a drained emotional geriatric prime see you in robot valhalla!!!!! |
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| Scaleface | Jun 23 2009, 10:43 AM Post #13 |
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They seemed to avoid showing the jet mode, but it was implied. You would see him fly in the background, hear the transfom sound, and land on the pyrimid, but not really get to see the jet mode. Optimus has missile launchers and energy hooks in his arms too. The guy is like Inspector Gadget! |
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| mellowshade | Jun 23 2009, 12:14 PM Post #14 |
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The jet mode was just his tank mode with some aerofoils and jet thrust. |
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| drmick | Jun 23 2009, 04:12 PM Post #15 |
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Er, why is this relevant? (It's just a there are a lot of typos in your post, I'm just worried you may have killed a few folk with a misplaced decimal point  )
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| geriatric prime | Jun 23 2009, 05:24 PM Post #16 |
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relevant as in if this film was about anything else other then transformers it really would be a bit too venial and crass for me- i am not a typical transformers fan by any stretch of the imagination. Im sorry if my post or indeed its poor spelling which was done in a moment of adrenaline rush offended you- feel free to discuss me with the general medical council!! |
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| Actar | Jun 23 2009, 09:35 PM Post #17 |
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I'm just surprised that no one's complaining or talking about Prime's 'Death'. This is not a movie for plot, in fact, it's like a long episode of the good old Transformers series. The Decepticons try something new and it's up to the Autobots and the Military to stop them. Action is really amazing. Much better than the first film. Each time I see Prime Transform, I get tingles. I love Jetfire. I seriously do. Tons of amazing Transformers Lore is explored and introduced in this film including the 'Matrix of Leadership' and 'Space Bridges'. Way, way more Megatron/Starscream interaction. Tons of great dialogue there. It was indeed great that finally we get confirmation on a ton of things. Prime's combined mode is how the concept art looked like. MixMaster used his 'cannon' mode. Something interesting was that there were multiples of the Constructicons. There are the ones that form Devastator and yet another set that go out fighting... Strange. With this respect, the 100buck Devastator set seems more accurate as the vehicles that turned into Devastator didn't have robot modes, or weren't shown to have one. |
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| Jesse | Jun 24 2009, 02:24 AM Post #18 |
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Literally just got back from seeing this movie. I don't know that I can give an accurate review of it at this time, I was actually falling asleep during the viewing. What I do know is that the plot is a horrible jumbled mess. What was so goddamn important about The Fallen? Nothing apparently...he was killed and it didn't really matter. It looks like the characters that made it into this movie were there solely to sell toys. The new characters hardly spoke at all, if any. There was no rhyme or reason for having Devastator in this movie, when all was said and done, the character accomplished absolutely nothing. Jetfire, another useless character who was worked in solely to sell the toy to combine with Prime. These thoughts are probably pretty jumbled, its 3:22am and I've been up nearly 24 hours. All I know is I cannot recommend this movie at all. I will be seeing it a second time because I promised someone I'd see it in IMAX with them.....but I doubt I'll be seeing this again beyond that. I think I agree with the reviews. |
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| Wildcard | Jun 24 2009, 05:15 AM Post #19 |
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It's 3:12am pst. I just got back from watching the movie... ..and the movie was FREAKIN AWESOME!!! Going again on Friday at the Imax this time. Am I the only one that enjoyed it? |
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| Jesse | Jun 24 2009, 06:07 AM Post #20 |
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what was awesome about it? The script was horrible and was in dire need of rewrites, nobody can deny that. |
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| Scaleface | Jun 24 2009, 06:32 AM Post #21 |
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Here is a nice little montage of deaths from the movie, if people are interested. *Video removed due to content* Edited by Jesse, Jun 24 2009, 07:26 AM.
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| mikeyfuzz | Jun 24 2009, 08:37 AM Post #22 |
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I think the movie was pretty damn good. Great action and graphics, but there are some major plot holes. I can't believe that the writers that wrote the first one and Star Trek let that script out as is. Over all I am happy with the movie. BTW, was there any footage at the end of the credits, our projector cut out halfway through the credits? |
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| geriatric prime | Jun 24 2009, 08:52 AM Post #23 |
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not at all! my low expectations were more then met. IT was a bad example of how to put together a movie in a lot of ways but i loved it. THe forrest scene was the best transformers battle i have ever seen on screen the beginning NEST hunt was very sexy Primes return was a lot better then the 'return of optimus prime'! Jetfire- loved him! |
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| Jesse | Jun 24 2009, 08:52 AM Post #24 |
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my review is on the homepage of the website |
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| Cesium Salami | Jun 24 2009, 09:00 AM Post #25 |
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I kinda feel "Meh" about the film. I liked Skids and Mudflap more than I thought I would. I laughed at their bickering. I thought the robot fight scenes were nice except at the end it looked a little like a video game. Maybe I was sitting too close to the screen. It was cool that Prime ripped off Starscream's arm and beat him with it. Where the hell did Jolt come from? He was a cool design, but what?! Everyone laughed at Devastator's balls, and some chick screamed "It's the Oompa-Loompa!" when Deep Roy showed up as the checkpoint guard. There are too many things to list that I liked AND disliked about the movie, but the main problem was it's story. The multiple plots were useless and wasted so much time, and it really lacked any major storyline. It really suffered from the writers strike, which is too bad because it had so much potential. So did I like it, yes as pure eye candy. I could care less about the characters. Too much comedy, didn't need bickering robots, got enough of that with R2-D2 and C-3PO. Sam's Parents had some of the best lines in the movie, and I have a feeling that his Mom's lines were ad-libbed by the actress, not written. They were all the comic relief the movie needed. |
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