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| Nick22 | Mar 3 2009, 02:01:02 AM Post #161 |
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Yes the Silmarilion had quests in spades. the quest to get the 3 Simarils from Morgoth, who, you must remember was a former member of the Valar, in fact only Manwe was greater, so his power dwarfed that of Sauron, even at Sauron's peak. Sending the Istari against him would have been foolish, it would have been signing thier death warrants... |
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| Kor | Mar 3 2009, 02:06:52 AM Post #162 |
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Since he was a Valar, like Sauron is a Maiar. I read, not sure if he really said it, that if Gandalf personally fought Sauron (I guess he meant Gandalf the white, his chance of winning is 50/50. The Istari would stand no chance against his master Morgoth. It would be about the same as Sauron or Balrogs or Dragons tried to attack Manwe. |
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| Nick22 | Mar 3 2009, 02:11:10 AM Post #163 |
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Yes, Gandalf's power would rival that of Sauron, and be dwarfed by Morgoth, the only ones who could defeat him were the other Valar. I'm not sure if Dragons were considered Maiar, I know the Balrog was.. and he was a match for Gandalf the Grey..it literally took everything Gandalf had to kill him.. |
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| Kor | Mar 3 2009, 02:15:15 AM Post #164 |
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I assumed or read, that dragons were created or bred by Morgoth, though I may be wrong. Though that doesn't mean there could not have been, potentially, some maia who looked similar to dragons. |
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| Nick22 | Mar 3 2009, 02:17:56 AM Post #165 |
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well considering that there were no "good" dragons, one can assume that dragons were evil, had Bard not Slain smaug, Sauron would have used him to incinerate a huge area around the lonely mountain, and probably had him attack mirkwood and the Elves who lived there.. |
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| Kor | Mar 3 2009, 02:27:29 AM Post #166 |
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Very likely indeed, among other things. |
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| Saft | Mar 3 2009, 03:30:27 PM Post #167 |
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But also there is mention of dragons in the south (in The Lord of the Rings), they just (after Bard killing Smaug) became 'extinct' in the North. Presuming that all dragons are 'evil', could slightly be null and void. After all, we know that not all wizards are good. Isn't Gandalf a Maiar? Or did I read that incorrectly? |
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| Nick22 | Mar 3 2009, 03:32:02 PM Post #168 |
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All the wizards were Maiar, as was the Balrog, and Sauron himself.. well, there no mention of Dragons fighting against Sauron.. |
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| Saft | Mar 3 2009, 03:57:13 PM Post #169 |
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I apologise, that sounded really dim witted on my part. Gandalf+wizard=Maiar..... Mental block. Concentration isn't great at the moment, not very happy. |
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| Nick22 | Mar 3 2009, 04:02:36 PM Post #170 |
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It happens, brain farts happen to all of us.. |
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| Kor | Mar 3 2009, 06:19:10 PM Post #171 |
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I assume many may have read the hobbit and the lord of the rings and not know or have figured out what wizards really are. |
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| Serris | Mar 3 2009, 06:22:58 PM Post #172 |
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I have read the Hobbit. |
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| Nick22 | Mar 3 2009, 06:43:34 PM Post #173 |
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Did you like it Serris? Have you read any of the Lord of the Rings? |
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| Saft | Mar 4 2009, 11:49:44 AM Post #174 |
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Serris what was your favourite part of the Hobbit? (edit): oh and who or whom was/were your favorite character(s)? If you had one. When I read the hobbit, my favourite part was the trolls ambushing and discussing what to do about the dwarves. My favourite character was the Eagle Lord. |
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| Saft | May 7 2009, 11:11:09 AM Post #175 |
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In case anyone is interested and in case anyone has not found this previously: [url=www tuckborough net]Thain's encylopedia[/URL] I haven't viewed all of it but it does appear to be a rather acceptable non-official encylopedia. Just in case anyone is interested that is all, thought I would share it with you.:) |
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| Nick22 | May 7 2009, 11:11:38 AM Post #176 |
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looks very interesting. thanks saft |
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| Saft | May 7 2009, 11:12:50 AM Post #177 |
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No problem Nick. I thought it would be nice for fellow Lord of the rings fans to view. I'll try to correct the link though. HTML and I aren't particular friends. |
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| Kor | May 7 2009, 12:32:53 PM Post #178 |
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There is also a wiki up at: http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Middle-earth |
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| Saft | May 7 2009, 01:56:07 PM Post #179 |
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Thank you for that Kor.:) |
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| Kor | May 7 2009, 08:49:13 PM Post #180 |
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I found another with info on middle earth. It's labeled the encyclopedia of Arda. Not sure if any would be interested. http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/default.asp |
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