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Topic Started: Aug 19 2012, 08:10 PM (22,280 Views)
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So, what's your opinion on shows with no actual antagonist, so to speak, yet there's conflict (trying to think of a show like this, but can't come up with any without spoiling shit)?

Let's just a slightly modified version of Kokoro connect as an example. Without spoiling anything, the series is basically about a group of friends who become subject to "psychological tests". Now, this isn't some shit where they get locked in a room or w/e, but it'll be things like they're going about their everyday life, but the other people in the group can hear their thoughts, or maybe that at the most inappropriate times their deepest desires will be unleashed.

This stuff obviously creates conflict, and there's not really an antagonist (actually, in the series there is an antagonist, but his reason is just like "I'm bored lol"...).

So?

(Also, did you totally just make a serious post? >_>)
 
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Just watched half of Mnesomyne, and well... Let's just say it's a good show, and definitely interesting, but parts of it is somewhat weird.

If you don't know, it's about two private investigators who happen to be immortal. Because of this, they often take on dangerous tasks and do stuff that would otherwise be impossible, since y'know, they can't die. This in turn leads to a lot of fucked up shit, like torture scenes, rape scenes, and lots of gore and blood.
The show is also quite heavy on fanservice, or just nudity in general, and there's quite a major plot element related to this, but I mean, if you've got something against just lots of "sexuality" in shows, so to speak, then this isn't for you...

So far tho, 8/10

EDIT: Double post cuz I'm a moron
Edited by savepoints, Aug 17 2013, 05:39 PM.
 
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Aug 17 2013, 02:40 PM
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Aug 17 2013, 02:35 PM
Late response, but Shangri La, Shakugan no Shana, or Hell Girl.
How would you say "Hell Girl" is, actually?

I've never actually heard anything about it from anyone, really...
Haven't watched it myself but the idea for it sounds good, seems to have good art, and mostly got positive reviews.
 
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Aug 17 2013, 04:43 PM
So, what's your opinion on shows with no actual antagonist, so to speak, yet there's conflict (trying to think of a show like this, but can't come up with any without spoiling shit)?

Let's just a slightly modified version of Kokoro connect as an example. Without spoiling anything, the series is basically about a group of friends who become subject to "psychological tests". Now, this isn't some shit where they get locked in a room or w/e, but it'll be things like they're going about their everyday life, but the other people in the group can hear their thoughts, or maybe that at the most inappropriate times their deepest desires will be unleashed.

This stuff obviously creates conflict, and there's not really an antagonist (actually, in the series there is an antagonist, but his reason is just like "I'm bored lol"...).

So?

(Also, did you totally just make a serious post? >_>)
A perfect example of my point. If the antagonist's reasons behind his goals aren't justified, they're irrelevant. And at that point it's simply lazy.

Example:

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If there IS no antagonist, there had better be a really creative way to make up for the lack thereof. If it's a simple matter of boy meets girl, and it's just a social scene wherein conflict arises, I won't be interested. Conflict causes character progression. It helps you to understand their personalities, their goals, and the justification behind their actions. If there is no justification, there should never have been any conflict. And there would never be any goals originating from anyone. Period.

What I absolutely can't stand is the teenage drama/young infatuation factor you find in most anime. In small, regulated amounts it can be beneficial to the story, but god damn. When every fucking episode ends with a conflicted nerdy yet hot guy having an awkward but romantic conversation with a cute shy girl with the sunset behind them, it gives me a headache. Maybe this is what some people find entertaining, and that's cool with me.

It's all about layering plots in a way that fit. It takes intelligence, deliberation and skill. It's a puzzle, and if not manufactured correctly, it won't work.
 
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For anyone watching the Oreimo series, the final 3 episodes came out.
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Mnemosyne: Mnemosyne no Musume-tachi - 9/10
 
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I finish Trouble Chocolate. And I think it was funny and good.
 
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Hoshi no Koe - 8/10


Hoshi wo Ou Kodomo - 8/10
Edited by savepoints, Aug 20 2013, 03:55 PM.
 
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Just felt like I should point out (if you'd call it that) my thoughts no the Madoka movies, more specifically the order you watch everything in now that everything but the 3rd movie is released (Doing this mostly cuz there's a chance I won't be home once Pong starts watching Madoka, and I want him to have the best experience <3)

Anyway, the original series is obviously as good as ever, and if you ever feel like watching it then there's obviously nothing wrong with that.

The first movie however, I felt was kinda meh. It's MOSTLY just as good as the first 8 eps (on which it is based), but they do cut a lot of scenes (about 40 minutes of footage is cut), so some scenes later on are gonna have less of an impact...

The second movie however, is 40 minutes longer than the 4 episodes it's originally based on, and has no cut scenes. This means 40 minutes extended, or even completely new scenes. Point being, there is NO downside to watching the second movie.

Therefore, my recommendation if you're watching Madoka for the first time and you're not sure you're gonna like it or w/e, is to watch the first 8 episodes of the series, then watch the second movie. This gives (imo) the best viewing experience, and then if you ever want to rewatch it, you can watch the full series, or the first movie or w/e.

I have seen the original series 2 times.
Both movies once (instead of the series, that is)
and 8 eps + 2nd movie once, and this was by far the best out of the three. Thus, I also suspect simply adding the 3rd movie onto this order when it is released will be the best.

(Again though, this is just a recommendation, and you'll lose very little really by watching just the series, but don't watch both movies if it's your first time).
 
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I can't handle all the awkward in Chuunibyou. IT'S TOO MUCH!
 
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Finnished Clannad, score 8.
 
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So, nothing to do atm and I thought I'd share these two things with you guys...

First of is Mahou Showtime. The layout can be a bit tricky (imo) but essentially it lets you see the "airing schedule" for new episodes and whatnot.

Second off is Taiga (hopefully this isn't viewed as advertising, as it's a non-profit program or w/e and I just want to spread the love, yo).
Basically, Taiga is a desktop application which lets you manage your MAL anime list, among a ton of other features (but the offline management is obviously the main feature).

To name some features, it can queue actions, and automatically syncs (almost instantly) to your MAL list, allowing you to manage your list and not worry about updating if you're doing it offline.
Another feature (and one of my favorites) is the season viewer. This lets you sort shows by season, and is (apparently) much better than any season list.

The season viewer looks something like this:
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Another feature is that you can link to your anime folders (if you have shows downloaded), and a simple click will play the next episode. You can also play a random episode, or anyone you want, ofcourse. Adding on to that, Taiga recognizes almost all media players and what episodes you're watching (seems to work with streams and such too), and will automatically update your list (I think).

The last feature is also one relating to downloading shows (mostly). The program makes use of several RSS sources and tells you (with a time interval) when new torrents appear, and lets you download them and so on.

The list itself is also (mostly) color coded in various ways, and it's not really much of a downgrade at all from the original MAL list.


So yea, slight advertising there, I guess, but it's a really good program... Especially now that MAL is down, since Taiga still works (as it manages the list in offline mode).
 
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Aug 17 2013, 06:35 PM
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Aug 17 2013, 02:40 PM

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Haven't watched it myself but the idea for it sounds good, seems to have good art, and mostly got positive reviews.
Been a few years, but I watched several episodes. Definitly in the dark/horror oriented genre with action scenes.
 
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Finished the Sisters arc of Railgun S (episodes 1 - 16).

Kuroko and the others were a bit left out, which is kind of a shame and the ending was a bit disappointing in my opinion, but other than that, it was pretty good.
 
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Sep 5 2013, 09:12 PM
the ending was a bit disappointing in my opinion
I think I asked someone this before, but again...

Without really spoiling anything, is the "conflict" resolved the same way as in Index?

Index & possible Railgun spoilers


I realise the sister arc might focus on more, and other things than that, like the aftermath of it all, but I want to know about that specific part.
 
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